If you guys want to have a more in depth conversation about non-Key VNs, your welcome to do that here:
Not that going off topic a bad thing. We all do it. All the time. And small bits of it help keep the discussion alive.
But we like to have some kind of order. And more importantly, if other people want to join in such a conversation, they’re probably gonna be looking in the above thread, not here. @Aspirety will probably come along at some point and move the last few posts over there anyway.