Rewrite - Chihaya Ohtori Character & Route Discussion

Well, Tonokowa told in an interview that he want do a bright and straight route, where battles are used to move forward the storie. It is normal he takes some freedom to write his storie. Rewrite can be enough bleak, it was likely the only way to have a happy end.

What bothers me the most is that the power of Kotarou becomes a simple way to be stronger, in the other routes, he is much more careful in his use. Gaia becomes also an evil organisation which only appears through Akane, Chihaya and the three summoners.

I wonders if changes will be done in the anime adaptation to not distrub the watchers.

Just finished last night- I had been almost done with it in the morning before work, but had to stop because I had already pushed how late I can start getting ready. I had like 5 minutes left :\

So I liked this route a lot better than Kotori’s route. It felt more like a story than a bunch of interesting events, and I thought it did a better job generally with getting its themes across. I really liked the dynamic between Sakuya and Kotarou - Sakuya reluctantly nurturing an almost mirror image of his past self that had led to deep regrets against Kotarou who ends up needing to begrudgingly respect the mentor who will always feel a few steps out of reach.

In this route I felt like Chihaya as a charachter was fine. I had heard murmurings that she is the worst heroine, and that this route was terrible, so I wasn’t really sure what to expect. I can see why most people say this is Sakuya’s route though - he and Kotarou were the active characters while Chihaya was almost just a static plot device.

I thought she was cute enough, I laughed in a good way with the humor around her, and in general enjoyed her. I think the idea of a rich girl who has never really faced the real world outside of her bubble to the point where she is not even really sure why she is fighting besides “that’s how it has always been” could have really gone somewhere in this complex conspiracy world they are building. But it kind of didn’t. I mean by the end she chooses to leave Gaia and do things on her own but she felt a bit dragged to that conclusion and it didn’t really have any emotional impact.

Chihaya does have my favorite character design though. I really want little wing hair clips like she has for myself.

This is my biggest beef with this route. If you are going to kill a character goddamn do it and stick to it. Touching character death scenes have diminishing returns and I was kind of upset to be crying over the first death march only to have him comeback and fight Kotarou. And then the single cherry blossom at the end? I am kind of partially choosing to ignore the implication that it is possible he was summoned again.

I really wish they had done a separate sprite or at least had a CG for Akane as she descended into madness.

One thing I thought was interesting was the function of the Key in this route. I really like the idea that she contains all of the memories of all the atrocities of mankind, but instead of judging humanity herself she forces a human to bare witness to them and it is up to that human to either give up on humanity or to decide that humanity should continue to fight on. Humans judging humans is a lot more impact than mysterious gods judging humans.

Pani and Gil worked for me too. I find them pretty grating early on when they show up, but the struggle they have where they are just looking for purpose - looking to be useful plays out really well. I especially liked that Pani sacrificed herself quietly and Kotarou doesn’t actually end up saying goodbye or thank you. They said that it was because they were familiars that they were so obsessed with finding a purpose, but needing purpose is a very human notion as well. I really like when stories make me care for characters who I found annoying when I first encountered them.

I also feel like I should take a moment to recognize that Shizuru is a character who I had a tough time not dismissing out right from the promo images I had seen before I played, and even when she first showed up. I should know better with Key girls, but an eyepatch loli with two tone chunibyou eyes was hard for me to take seriously. But I feel like she was one of the best characters in this route. The way she is written having to pick between fighting her friends and not being able to give up what she believes in was really well handled. At this point I am really looking forward to her route and finding out more about her backstory, because if she works this well as a side character I imagine the depth she will have after her own route will enhance things.

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I wouldn’t say at all that Chihaya is a bad character or that her route is the worst. On the contrary, her route is one of my favorites. It’s just that Chihaya doesn’t develop at all in what’s supposed to be her route. She basically does what the plot demands her to do, no matter how ridiculous it may seem.

[quote=“kyuketsukimiyu, post:56, topic:1990”]
If you are going to kill a character…do it and stick to it.
[/quote]It’s harder to do than you think if you as an author really liked that character. >.>

I do agree, however, that Sakuya’s implied return via Key Magic is kind of stupid. It practically erases any sort of character development that might have stemmed from it, and if it wasn’t for a particularly good purpose, it merely comes off as fanservice for the sake of it, and it weakens the story as a whole. (Looking at you, Charlotte.)

[quote=“kyuketsukimiyu, post:56, topic:1990”]
I really wish they had done a separate sprite or at least had a CG for Akane as she descended into madness.
/quoteRewrite+(cough)

[quote=“kyuketsukimiyu, post:56, topic:1990”]
I really like when stories make me care for characters who I found annoying when I first encountered them.
[/quote]Same. To cite another Key example, Rin and Haruka from Little Busters were rather annoying when I first saw them, but as time grew on and I got to learn more about them, I grew to like them more as characters. Haruka especially is one of my favorites in the LB cast so far. :smile:

[quote=“kyuketsukimiyu, post:56, topic:1990”]
I should know better with Key girls, but an eyepatch loli with two tone chunibyou eyes was hard for me to take seriously. But I feel like she was one of the best characters in this route. The way she is written having to pick between fighting her friends and not being able to give up what she believes in was really well handled. At this point I am really looking forward to her route and finding out more about her backstory
[/quote]The minute I laid eyes on Shizuru’s sprite in Rewrite, I fell in love with her. I loved her design, her personality and her attachment to Kotarou. I, too, thought she was handled extremely well in this route, both in terms of her personality and her fighting abilities. I do admit, this route spoiled me in terms of the sheer Shizuru fanservice this route got. It made her actual route kind of disappointing… :sweat_smile:

But I digress. The other routes are very different from this one, so it’s best to adjust your expectations for maximum enjoyment.

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The purple fire isn’t enough?

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Not at all for me. That implied possession, with the way she was talking it should have shown n her expression. Seeing an elegant-type like Akane lose her grip should have had a bigger visual component to it.

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Thinking back on this route after having finished the whole thing, this^ was definitely the best part. Sakuya is just freaking awesome.

This was a great route. I can see why some wouldn’t like it but this is honestly one of my favorite character routes ever.

First some of the things I liked about this route:
The fights felt a bit odd for a Key visual novel but they were really well executed and I never felt like they dragged on or got boring. Tension was always high and it really felt like there was something at stake in each fight. Unlike other routes which didn’t really have many/any choices, this route had choices in some of the fights which helped keep things dramatic. The sprites and CGs throughout the route were also fantastic.

It was a bit fanservicey, but we really got to see characters at their most badass. Compared to the level of action in other routes this really did make this one feel like a shounen. Kotarou’s feeling of “Why is everyone I know a freak with superpowers!?” was fitting and hilarious.

And goddamn song placement game on point. Whenever Rewrite starts playing you know shit is about to go down.

There are two things that this route had that I generally hate in stories: overly pacifistic heroes to refuse to kill even the most evil bad guy and literally insane antagonists who want to destroy the world and themselves with it for little reason other than “just cus.” But Kotarou and Midou were used really nicely as a kind of “night and day” complete opposites way. It actually reminded me of (F/SN UBW)Shirou’s fight with Archer of all things.

I could be reading to much into this, but does anyone remember than throwaway conversation between Kotarou and Gil when they are talking about the Aurora swords attributes? Gil suggests the sword is currently light type, and if you add a dark attribute it will become the ultimate weapon. I feel like this is kind of what happened at the end with Fuego. Yeah, Fuego is technically lava/fire, but its definitely an evil familiar controlled by an evil guy. And once the aurora gains the power of Fuego it really is the ultimate weapon, capable of cutting through pretty much anything with ease.

I didn’t understand how people could love a character like Sakuya as much as many seem to until I read this route. First of all seeing someone else with a similar power to Kotarou’s was cool and it was a good opportunity for the story to explain some rules of the rewrite power via Sakuya.

There were plenty of minor holes throughout the route (some of which were solved here already) but nothing that couldn’t be chalked up to inconsistent authors between routes. In terms of enjoyment I’d say I liked this route even more than Lucia’s, although I would still say Lucia’s route is better. The “Fun” factor is just far to strong.

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All in all, after reading the whole Rewrite, then Harvest festa! I still have this one route as my favourite.
I always had a thing for mild tsundere characters like Chihaya, but aside from that, this route was bright.
Really, I’ve read it right after Kotori’s route and didn’t really know what to expect from the routes onward, but looking back at the whole picture now… Chihaya’s route (you may call it Sakuya’s route, if you wish) was a HOPE of this whole world.
Here is the reason why: in this route they found a way to cooperate with both Guardian, and Gaia to some extent. There was no massive blood spilling in this route. Akane went mad but recovered, Kotori was found by Akane and moved to some safe place (letters from her in the end of Chihaya’s route kind of shows it already). Shizuru is rather fine herself, and Lucia are recovering after whatever happened to her.

Ok. This was supposed to be my 1st post on Kaza, but I’ve totally stopped writing it… Forgot about it. And then, checking back on this thread it just appeared here in my text box.
Kinda funny, but I guess, I should publish it.

As of this moment I’ve just read Rewrite: Side-R manga’s 5th volume. As you may know, it depicts Chihaya’s route (and, yes, its exactly Chihaya’s route there, not Sakuya’s). There are some (striking?) differentiations from original route, though, as bits and bites of Akane’s route mixed inside as well.
If anything, Chihaya herself is way more proactive in manga than she was in VN. I really liked it. To be heck, even now… When I despaired at the way they’ve ended this manga, I still find it extremely nice and fun to read. Basically, in manga you have only Common Route + 25th chapter + Chihaya route’s finale. It was impossible to put all of the route into 5 volumes. And, actually, until the very end I didn’t feel that they were planing to end it so abruptly. I don’t know actual reasons beside canceliing this whole thing… Only that mangaka started his Nanoha’s adaptation and Rewrite was ended. (I actually hate Nanoha now, lol).
So, going back to Chihaya’s route.
I’ve already said it in the begining, but it was a bright part of Rewrite for me. No, I mean, I like the whole work. All of the routes. But… This one was extremely bright. Yes, it was very shounen-manga like. I heard that some ppl call this route as “UBW”. I don’t know, may be they are right. They probably are. Chihaya (in VN) was more of a side-character, than an actual heroine. Yes, she did overcome herself. She managed to escape from the cage of undecisivness. I mean, she started to make decisions on her own. She managed to face off with her’s past.
All of the characters tried to pierce their own beliefs. Some of those beliefs got shattered, some were enforced.
I liked the whole episode with Shizuru and Nishikujou. It felt a bit forced, but I liked the way how Akane went mad. We’ve got even a glimpse on Kotori.
Yes, we can say, that it was strange, than Kotarou managed to summon Phogo in his fight against Hyper-Sakuya, but it was enjoyable. It was very rewarding to read. Now I love how strikingly different it is from other routes.
…as for Side-R manga. Chihaya was extremely nice there. Its a pity that there is no English version, but to those who can read Japanese I strongly advise to try this one. Probably, you won’t be disappointed. Though, you may despair at its end as I did just now.

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I agrere with you. There are some common point between them. For example, Archer is the future Shirou like Sakuya is Predecessor of Kotarou, the protagonist batteles with his teacher and the protagonist persists in his justice. There are many opinions that points out it like https://twitter.com/search?q=UBW%20ちはやルート&src=typd

Aurora in this novel has the property of memorizing acquired character and also some summoners have power to take over consciousness like Akane and Phogo is a monster, so Kotarou could read the power of that from Aurora’s memory like Kotarou in terra used Lewis’s throwing technique and Midou might capture some of Kotarou’s consciousness when he died.

I felt this route is too optimistic at the end. For example, Akane came to oneself by Shizuru’s drug and it looks like fine, but is it a convenient rewrite of the personality, which Kotori agonized over in her route?
Why did Kotarou stuck to not killing people? Why Gardian changed themselves so easily? (However, I think Nishikujou and Esaka’s change of their mind was possible because they have special relationships to Kotarou.) Therefore I didn’t receive as much emotional impact as I had in other routes. I admit this route is enjoyable but I personally think this sort of delightful story is not the principal point of Rewrite, in which characters are suffering over the gap of ideal and reality.

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I don’t really think that the whole Guardian changed itself. Indeed, Esaka, Nishikujou, and (obviously) Shizuru did support Kotarou in the end… But what about the whole organization? Even Gaia which lost its Saint still has branches in other countries. Besides… There are Moon and Terra after this route. We can easily assume that the sole thing that Kotarou acquired there is New-Okaken.
Well, I guess I just personally like it :smiley:

It does, but not in the examples you named. The part from Akane’s route, (which is a spoiler, btw) namely the ability of the holy woman, has nothing to do with “taking over” consciousness. It’s turning dead or malfunctioning brain cells into familiars, thus reshaping them and copying one’s own memory into the successor’s head. And the Terra route thing was simple Rewriting iirc. Kotarou merely mimicked the way superhumans acquire their power. You’re also implying that Kotarou just sucked up Midou’s or Fuego’s aurora like getting exp and loot after killing an enemy in an rpg xD

Taking over conciousness was wrong as you said, but I think the appearnce of Midou and Phogo power derives from the nature of Aurora. I explain what I think it now in detail.

In Moon route, Aurora is mentioned as omnipotent power and “it is said that Aurora has power to refer to history and reconstruct it”. (活動の履歴を参照し再現する性質が確認されている in Japanese) And whole things are caused by this nature.
In Moon route simulation, Shizuru made Hercules beetle crab and it turned out Aurora remembered that. Consequently, the structure of Phogo might be recorded in Aurora. And I think Kotarou’s ability of ‘Rewrite’ is actually manipulation of Aurora because his use of Aurora is not limited to reinforcement of body in Moon or Akane route. So he could read information from Aurorra and use it.In addition to that, in terra route Kotarou talked with Sakuya. It also might be a sort of reading Aurora.
Therefore, I suspect his use of Phogo and appearance of Midou occured because he tried to refer to something related to fire from Aurora and found the structure of Phogo and Midou’s memory and mimicked it using Aurora power as he read technique of superhuman and use it though it was unconscious process.

After all, Aurora in Rewrite is omnipotent, so you can make any explanation on it… :masdum:

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Maybe cause I read this route in one time (11 hours whithout stop, insanely long for a story like that, at least talk/persuade more and left aside the action for some time, the most of the time is not interesting cause you already know, cause the shonen pattern, that main character can’t die) I don’t have very good memories of it :yahaha:. In fact I don’t like at all the overwelming action and basically skiped all the battles explanation reading superficially and in some moment even do the same with the romantic dialogue and the most of the Chihaya’s dialogue.

Honestly I don’t even like the Yaoi but I’m the only one who thinks that Chihaya is “a bother in the middle” the most of the time and a KoutarouxSakuya is most interesting?. I don’t even know how can Koutarou fall in love with Chihaya’s almost inexistent personality (even the hateable :kotohino: (my tastes) personality of Lucia is a better option to me).

I liked Chihaya’s route solely for the fact that it was the only heroine route that had a relatively ‘good’ ending for everyone.

I do agree that it was more of a Sakuya route though…

Also good god that image in the OP. Death by zettai ryouiki

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Not sure how Kazamatsuri feels about reviving topics this old, but I was told in the introduce yourself page not to worry about it, so here goes.

Just to get my opinion of the route out of the way, keeping in mind that Rewrite is easily my favourite visual novel, I’d put Chihaya’s route third out of the heroine routes and fourth if we count every route. I agree that it’s true that you don’t have to think about the route nearly as much as the others, but I think the requirement of completing this route before being able to enter Akane’s, coupled with Akane’s role of the villain in this route makes Akane’s route a lot more meaningful.

About the discussion of Kotarou acquiring Phogo’s power, before reading this discussion, I was somewhat under the impression that it actually happened during the fight with Midou. Phogo’s ability to change it’s properties, as demonstrated by it’s ability to form a silicon dioxide sheild, gave me the idea that even the carbon dioxide caused by Phogo contained a part of Phogo, or rather, WAS a part of Phogo in it’s entirety.
Kotarou would obviously have been breathing it in the whole time. (Kotori spoilers) As a familiar himself, I had an idea that he had basically assimilated that part of Phogo inside his body into his own cells, especially because he rewrites himself near the end of the battle.


This line turns up in the battle, but I wonder if the strengthening of his body that he had done so far in the route would really affect carbon dioxide poisoning. If not, this would also support my theory.
Since familiars and their summoners are connected, this would also explain how Midou was able to talk to Kotarou in the final battle, after he had died. At one point in the fight, Midou says that Phogo is “practically immortal.” We know that in general, if a summoner dies the familiar will follow, but we also know that this is a trend, not a law. We see, especially among stronger familiars, an ability to remain after the summoner’s death. (General spoiler(?)) It would mirror the way that the earth dragon is able to remain “inactive” or whatever when he has no summoner(s), but he doesn’t “die”, strictly speaking. Phogo is undeniably a powerful familiar, and has some traits that we don’t see in any other familiars, so it seems possible to me.
After reading this post, I don’t know whether this explanation or the Aurora explanation makes more sense, but I guess I’m leaning towards the Aurora one, since it’s (Terra route spoiler) demonstrated with Kotarou acquiring Luis’ ability.

On a completely different note. (One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e spoilers) I’m surprised that no one has mentioned how Chihaya is almost a rehash of Nanase. Not many people have read One, but I thought someone would have mentioned it.

Actually I’m not done. For anyone who’s read the Visual Novel Shadows of Pygmalion, just how similar are Midou’s and Ibis’ circumstances? After Kotarou defeats him, Midou laments that Kotarou was the one with the power, which in of itself was the driving force of Ibis’ entire campaign. I just thought it was worth mentioning. And come to think of it, after the fights over, both Kotarou and Mina show mixed feelings about Midou/Ibis, despite what they did, although this isn’t uncommon I suppose.

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Interesting theory! When you have a familiar that is literally the incarnation of fire itself, it becomes tough to put a boundary on its state. Fire is plasma, but plasma can turn into gas (that being carbon dioxide). But whether or not summoners can gain control of a familiar simply by ingesting it seems like a topic for another day (or another topic lol)

Bit of a delayed response, but my idea was more about (Kotori spoilers) Kotarou being a fellow familiar, rather than a summoner. The fact that he’s also a summoner didn’t even cross my mind as part of the theory until you mentioned it. What makes up Phogo must be more than just the chemicals, or at least, the chemicals that make him up are able to be used to create a familiar, obviously. This got me thinking that, as Kotarou was rewriting himself near the end, especially since he was doing such a unique change - rewriting the rate at which he regenerates cells - he had assimilated part of Phogo into his familiarised body. I already addressed the part about how it was feasible for Phogo in some fashion or another, to remain even after Midou’s death, and how that part of Phogo could still contain part of Midou’s consciousness due to their connection. The fact that these chemicals would be equally a part of Kotarou as they were of Phogo at the time of Midou’s death makes it seem even more likely to me that what made Phogo could remain as a part of Kotarou, especially since, as I said, it explains how Midou talked to Kotarou at the end nicely, and how that part doesn’t need to be some spooky vision that Kotarou just saw for no reason, but rather, a genuine communication from Midou to Kotarou that brings everything that’s happened so far together perfectly.

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I read this route back in 2014 or so, along with Kotori, before my hard drive died and I basically just gave up until now, this being the first route I’ve read since restarting.

One of my favorite things about this route is something you often see people half-joke about: “This isn’t the Chihaya route, it’s the Sakuya route!”

I actually like Sakuya a lot, along with Midou as well. They both show really interesting sides to Kotarou’s development, Sakuya guiding him to be able to protect what he loves as well as Midou challenging his morals. With the exception of Little Busters, you don’t often see a Key work having a lot of cool male characters outside of the protagonist—usually about one per story. I’m not sure what kind of role these two will play in any other routes or the main story or if (LB! Refrain spoiler) this has any sort of thing that connects the routes like the different worlds of Little Busters, but I honestly think this route could stand on its own really well.

I’m a real sucker for this sort of thing in VNs where groups of characters just have fun together—as a result, I’m a huge fan of arcs like the baseball part of Little Busters, the Okaken scenes in Rewrite, and the early parts of Tomoyo’s route where you hang out with Sunohara and Tomoyo. This route is going on that list. I had a blast reading the parts where Kotarou moves in with the Ohtoris and shenanigans ensue. That manages to wonderfully add to the bittersweetness of the final scene with the sakura petal.

I had to think about that scene for a few days before I really was able to decide if I like that ending or not. This may actually be my favorite ending to any visual novel route, though. There have been a few times throughout Key that I felt a route turns out too perfectly—an asspull, if you will. This ending? Love it. The sakura petal reminds you that Sakuya can still be watching over them, while still allowing them to move forward and, more importantly, not trivializing everything that happened to him by just bringing him back.

Onwards to Kotori route!

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Because of a conversation on discord, I’ve been tasked with a crusade against all the perceived plot holes of Rewrite. Also, if you feel like you know of a plot hole, please send it to me. I notice a lot of people vaguely allude to “plot holes” or inconsistencies without actually pointing them out.

Disclaimer: I’m taking the plot holes I’m responding to here from a post by @Naoki_Saten early in this topic. I’m not sure if Naoki himself still has a problem with any or all of these, or if they’ve been soundly addressed previously, I’m just responding to any and all perceived plot holes I can find.

Unless one was really paying attention during Kotori’s route, it’d be difficult to justify this further than the difference in his power. In Kotori’s route, you learn the link between his power and Kagari’s ribbon in his right shoulder. This would lead one to the natural conclusion that it’s a matter of proximity and once he rewrites himself enough, he’s eventually able to use it through his left arm which is further from his right shoulder. And in the Terra route we find out that Kotarou’s power is actually in his blood and that Kagari’s ribbon just supplements it.
To me this basically means that there’s an explanation for it at any given point in time that gets incresingly satisfactory the further in the game you get and the more you know.

Say there’s a society where effectively everyone is either Christian or Catholic. There are two “factions” in this case because the the remainder don’t have a centralised system of organisation, and because their numbers are so few as to be insignificant. Also, let’s say that within the Christian and Catholic factions, everyone’s either a moderate or an extremist (obviously this isn’t a dichotomy matter, but that just supports what I’m saying more if anything.) These aren’t four factions, these are two sets of two factions based on different standards.

This is just a matter of semantics. There are people not aware of Sakuya’s existence, and probably even people who aren’t aware of the Earth Dragon’s existence. And it’s not like the two have ever fought. I’d say that Sakuya is almost certainly stronger, but we don’t know for sure.

My theory above explains this decisively. It may seem like a convoluted explanation I guess, but at least in my case it was a conclusion I naturally came to on my first read-through without any issues. Also, something I forgot to mention in my explanation above (Kotori) in Kotori’s route we find out that Kotarou has already assimilated a piece of a familiar (Kagari)into his body, which shows definitively that he can do it. I said above that I found the aurora explanation to be more convincing, but thinking on it further I feel that my theory is much more watertight and just makes more sense overall.

Next is the supposed Akane plot hole.

To add about the dual-wrist blades, I’m not sure if this is info that’s been mentioned early on or something that only became explicit by Terra, but because I’ll be mentioning a huge moment from that route, I’ll hide under spoiler tags anyway: the more Kotarou rewrote himself, the less human he becomes/the more he becomes a familiar. Near the end of Terra Route (where he was able to subvert the incident that got him Kagari’s ribbon in the first place) Kotarou has rewrote himself so much that he started having blood made out of aurora.

Since it’s in Chihaya Route where he rewrote himself to borderline consuming his humanity, it makes sense that he eventually developed aurora around his left arm even when that’s not where Kagari’s ribbon (also made of aurora) was located.