Grisaia Series Discussion

But there’s an all-ages version!
The discussion is kinda wishy-washy though, and it’s going off-topic.

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Eh, I’d argue that’s pretty limited to Kajitsu rather than the series as a whole; the spin-offs don’t even have H scenes. Even then, the purpose of some of the Kajitsu routes were clearly just an excuse to explain certain points for the sequels.

The sequels have tons of H-Scenes. They even have made up scenarios where Yuuji has sex with the Angelic Howl girls as well as Makina’s Mom. He pretty much has sex with every girl in the series. Even the anime creators knew this, and made OVAs that were borderline hentai. The only thing that doesn’t have H-Scenes is Mahou Shoujo ChiruChiru, but that seems to be very separated from the main series.

This is important. I don’t agree that a bunch of add-on H scenes that don’t exist in the main plotline, which severely tones down the sex jokes after Kajitsu, indicates that they are the “highest priority” of the series. A priority, no doubt, but not the highest one.

Also, as much removed as ChiruChiru is from the main series, I’d say it’s still very close to the spirit of Rakuen’s writing style but in a much less overly dramatic setting.

Nothing screams “highest priority” like putting work into including scenes that logically cannot have happened (and have no reason to exist outside of making people happy in their pants).

Nah, I’m not gonna argue if it’s “highest priority” or just “high priority”. That’s not my point. My point is, that the maker’s attempts to include as much ero as possible is ruining a lot as I already stated in a previous post of mine. The creators have decided to make Grisaia into porn with a story instead of a story with porn. Therefore, I don’t see how Grisaia is an appropriate starting point for discussing love and romance.

All-ages versions? Money. Enough said.

Please provide a 2000 word essay on how Grisaia is just “porn with a plot”, master of nukige and VNs alike.

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Okay, in the context of the conversation that was happening, I understand and agree with your point. However, in my opinion, the writing styles in the sequels are different enough that there was a clear story and theme the creators were trying to convey. I don’t think having a bunch of H scenes on the side that logically couldn’t have happened inherently means the creators care more about the sex than the story, but your point is taken in the context of the previous conversation.

My issue is that I liked the themes of self-forgiveness and redemption that the sequels were actually about, and it sounds like you are discrediting such themes of the sequels as well through over-generalization of the entire series as a porn with a story. Again, while I cannot deny the creators care a great deal about their porn, I do not think that destroys (though it certainly lowers) the value of the story they tried to convey, especially when a large portion of that porn is not even contained in the story. This is also why I brought up ChiruChiru, because as silly as it was as a comedy that isn’t even related to the main series, it still kind of attempted to replicate the themes of Grisaia albeit in a very light-hearted and comedic fashion.

Oh, there is actually a thread for this one? I’m currently reading Grisaia no Kajitsu and… Well… It’s just too slow and feels too long. It’s not like I’m not enjoying the Visual Novel. I like Yuuji and how he interacts with the other girls but… I don’t know, the pace is so slow that it’s kind of annoying. I’ve barely made it to Makina’s route (first route I’m reading) and I kind of feel like giving up on it but it just feels like I’m going to miss a good story if I do.

What do you think is the good route order I should take? I started with Makina since I could enter her route first but I don’t really know which one I’ll take next.

Read it in any order you like. Keep on reading, don’t give up!

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Doing Makina’s route first was a bad choice on your part. It takes ages for that route to start, and is just a slow route overall. I suggest that you go to Yumiko and Sachi’s routes, since those start fairly early on. They’re also the only routes that I wouldn’t consider slow. Amane’s is also very slow, and Michiru’s is kind of in the middle.

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Following the path in which the story is presented, it should be Makina -> Amane -> Sachi -> Michiru -> Yumiko.

The plot branches into each Heroines’ back story so while it may seem as though each have definitive ends, there really isn’t a single true route. So technically, no specific order needs to be followed. Personally, I chose this structure due to how Makina’s route gives a general idea of Yuuji’s occupation and how his character will affect future routes.

Common route, to me, all just really tries to include comedy and SoL elements in an attempt to characterize the cast; however ends up being just monotonous over time. The bulk of Kajitsu lies within backstory so there really isn’t a plot per se if you do not consider the heroines’ arcs. Unless you are willing to sit through huge dialogues of text just to get to the character routes, then it is possible to skim through [but still understand what is going on because some scenes are pretty funny] the common route.

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There isn’t really an order to take, huh? Nice![quote=“andrewcee, post:111, topic:1258”]
Makina -> Amane -> Sachi -> Michiru -> Yumiko.
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I’ll probably take this order :smile:.

I just picked Makina’s first since it was the first one I could enter. I heard that Yumiko’s route was so good that reading it early would make reading the other ones boring, or is that wrong?

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On the contrary her route is pretty…bland compared to the others. At least that’s what I think.

Personally, I’d suggest a route order of Yumiko -> Michiru/Sachi -> Makina/Amane. Yumiko’s route provides the best background for the school itself and makes the setting a bit more understandable so it works well as an intro route (though you should be able to guess the majority of it anyway). Michiru/Sachi routes are kind of standalone for the most part, and then Makina/Amane’s are actually relevant to the main story once you reach Rakuen.

One nice thing about Grisaia is there’s stuff in each route that references other routes. They aren’t important references, but it’s kind of a “oh this action/sentence actually has meaning because of what I found out in a different route.” Because of this, route order does end up mattering, albeit to a very small degree.

That sounds like my experience, since I read Sachi’s route, then Yumiko’s route, and found the rest boring. But the opinion that Yumiko’s route is so good is a minority opinion these days. I personally think it’s a solid route, but I tend to hear bad things about it.

How can a route that has Yuuji stopping a plane by throwing a turkey into it bland?

While that was amazing, if a route gets to that point you know they ran out of ideas. Shame that wasn’t animated.

I think the grenade scene in the anime was ridiculous enough to compensate.

After two weeks, I finally managed to complete Makina’s route. After reading it, I’ve only two things to say: JB is the best character! Yuuji is so badass!
Now I’m on Amane’s route, and I’m reading it pretty fast, I don’t think that I’ll be taking two weeks to complete it since I’m already at the part where Amane’s telling Yuuji about her past (Kazuki’s such a great character!).
Even though it’s the all ages steam version, reading Amane’s route makes me able to kind of understand why some people call Grisaia “porn with a good story” ^^’.

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I have this on my wishlist but it’s a bit expensive for me right now. Looking forward to reading it in the future!

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Double post, sorries :<

So I got the Fruit of Grisaia and have been reading it the past little while. I did the common route and Michiru’s route and I’m now doing Yumiko’s. I don’t like the protagonist but the ladies are alright and Michiru’s route gave me the MANY FEELS. SO MANY FEELS THOUGH. I’m most looking forward to Sachi’s, so I’m saving that for last.

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