I understand that. I brought up that you can't expect much considering the background of the developers. It still doesn't change the complaints I have with it. I don't go through life saying "I hate what this person did, but they've done worse, so I'll be kind to them."
Not exactly. Katawa Shoujo came from a place that's arguably more H-focused than a nukige company, with little funding, aimed at a market that was in no position to even think about accepting it...
And then it ends up having an all-ages option, an insane amount of publicity, loads of fanworks based off of it, and acceptance in a time where VNs were largely unheard of in the west outside of VN-centric communities. It was a product of the people, both in-production and after. That's what makes it respectable, it went beyond expectation.
FrontWing are a popular developer, with a large mismanaged budget, aimed at a market that would accept it wholeheartedly. The success of Grisaia was expected, and with how popular it was in Japan, it's surprising how long it took to catch on in the west; when it finally did, it was at a time where Katawa Shoujo had already created an audience for Grisaia to target. Grisaia isn't respectable, it's expected...
Of course, these things don't carry over to a fresh market. They don't know what to expect. They have no comparisons or contrasts. They get to enjoy Grisaia. That's totally fine, they can enjoy what they want. I'll enjoy what I want. I'll still criticise anything that is bad though.
The problem is you have to get through half of it. A good second half doesn't mean anything if the first half was so bad that I saw no reason to give it a chance.
That's another problem with it. nod nod
That isn't a tl;dr of what you said at all! By "beat your fav vn" do you mean in popularity? Because every VN does that for me.
I don't judge a VN by it's popularity, I judge it fair and square. Compared to the rest of the VNs I've read, Grisaia is really bad. If we look at other popular VNs, Katawa Shoujo is average, Hatoful is slightly above average, Litbus is good (even if I only liked one route) and Umineko is great (even if I think it's garbage.) Popularity of a VN may affect my enjoyment of said VN, but I believe that having an opinion shouldn't make you blind to good literature, even if it's not a story you'd enjoy.
You shouldn't bring it up in the first place if you don't share that thought. Do you see it as something to fault your opinions? Think more highly of yourself~
The developers should have believed in their own attempts then. They have that "break the mold" moment, but that threw it in-between tens of hours of "we're still cool guys! Look! Nude sprites!"
I think it's creepy, but that's not even factoring in the H-scenes. Heck, the "papa" thing was eww enough.
It's not the same as the G-senjou argument. I don't think there's anything strange about a step-sister calling her step-brother "brother." That's... pretty normal.
If your argument starts with "So you're saying..." then scrap that argument.
If something is flawed, it's open to criticism. That is the norm. Arguably, everything does have flaws, so everything is open to criticism. Hence why so many people on this site think I dislike everything.
No sane person expects perfection, they just align things to the standards they have built up over life.
I'm a very judgemental person, so I have problems with the both of them~ There are no authority figures in their lives though. Maybe that is a cause.
Yeah, at least he wasn't a bad person ^^;