I like the backstories but like @Takafumi said, I don’t like how all of a sudden you get a giant text dump all at once with them instead of spreading it out. In say Kanon or Clannad, you get bits through-out the route (not just hints like Grisaia but actual reveals) and it doesn’t seem so bad when you do get to the big reveal as you’ve been getting bits through-out the whole thing.
I actually really like the breakaway after a tease of it here and there. The change of pace was always refreshing and despite how bothered I was by the stupidity of the comedy, it always brought me back to genuinely enjoy reading- The complete 180 in story telling was always cool. It’s part of why this series pisses me off.
I’m so excited! I really liked the anime, believe it or not. For what it set out to do, I think it did well, and it was pretty adorable. Already have the Steam code downloaded; just waiting for the 29th…
The sequels look awesome as well, though we have quite a ways to wait for them.
What do you mean you have the code downloaded? Do you have a review copy? You can use that any time then that’s how I’ve been playing (embargo’s up before the 29th anyway). I also liked the anime (felt it was rushed though) but now that I’m reading the VN I’ve slowly started hating it. Are you currently watching the Rakuen anime?
By the code, I mean the Steam activation code for the Sekai Project localization of the game, which comes out May 29th. I backed the Kickstarter for all three games! (All-ages versions)
No; i’m saving the Rakuen anime for after I read Rakuen itself. I did the same with Grisaia, which is why I enjoyed both the VN and anime. I’m glad I read it first.
ok I didn’t know they had already sent codes for bakers. I think there’s no way I’d have enjoyed the anime at all if I read the VN first. I’ve never actually had a moment of disliking the version I experienced first no matter how bad it was compared to the other. Hope you enjoy The Fruit of Grisaia when it comes out in a week!
If we’re talking strictly about the quality of the writing, it definitely wasn’t very good. None of the routes struck me as impressive, and I even thought Amane’s route was incredibly dull, boring, and predictable, only being carried by Kazuki. I seriously don’t understand why people liked her route so much. That said, I’m mostly entertained by Grisaia from the character interactions and the comedy produced from it. They literally spend 3 games to set up one of the jokes. I have always believed comedy is one of the most subjective things ever, so I think hating the comedy is perfectly fine but also shouldn’t discredit anyone else liking it.
I read the sequels not because I was so enthralled by Grisaia but because I wanted to practice Japanese via short VNs, so they made for a good choice. I ended up liking the sequels a lot more, but again not because of writing reasons. Heck, the final plot twist in Rakuen is one of the dumbest twists I’ve ever come across in fiction, and I still don’t know how in the world someone even came up with such a retarded idea. It was practically as dumb as Hanachirasu’s joke end, except that was supposed to be a joke end.
Basically I liked Meikyuu a lot because it shows how incredibly broken of a human Yuuji is. That he isn’t the great person he seems in Kajitsu, and that he has his own problems he dealt with, is still dealing with, and is unable to fix by himself. It makes him feel a lot more human in the sense that everyone has their problems but puts up a facade for the world to see; Yuuji is the same in this regard. For Rakuen, I admit it ends up being largely fan service (not the lewd kind) for the characters. The writing isn’t serious (but it certainly pretends to be serious), so sure, you can criticism it a lot, but enjoyment of Rakuen is probably proportional to how much you like the character interactions. They all end up doing things that show their growth from Kajitsu while maintaining the personalities that you’ve come to love. It ties up being a series that’s thematically largely about redemption, and I greatly appreciate it for that, even if it wasn’t executed all that well.
The mahou shoujo spinoff is great too, because it doesn’t even pretend to be serious and is thoroughly a joke for fans to further enjoy the characters (mostly Michiru and Kazuki).
Wow…I just realize about Grisaria topic…
Let me share about my opinion
I think Grisaria is fun…at start I was interested to watched the anime because of Yuuji and Takahiro Sakurai as his seiyuu (FYI he’s my fav seiyuu)
Beside the animation+graphic look very promising!
Then I also realize I found familiar voice from Little Busters…THIS IS KOMARI AND RIN VOICES! And it’s really fun to know about every characters dark past experience…
When I told my friend about it(FYI he’s boy)…he said to me it was adaptation from famous eroge VN…aaaannndd I just WAATT??! O__o
you see…I want to play the VN too(to read the complete stories OF COURSE)…but as girl I also do not want to see some explicit R-18 graphic…it’s bothering and make me guilty…^^;
Just ask…is there any safe version out there???
I believe Sekai’s version, being on Steam, is the official ‘safe’ release. I can’t personally speak on how the content is altered, but from my understanding the H-Content was removed, not so much the adult content in the game’s comedy and script and all.
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I’m in the same boat with DRAMAtical! ;~; It sounds interesting, but… I’m not so much for the adult stuff.
So you still have to put up with Amane and Makina? Ugh, that’s a shame.
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I don’t even know where to start…
If I were to describe the writing and character design of Grisaia in one word, I would go for “inconsistent”. Give me two words, and I’d say “wasted potential”. And it’s really wasted in an especially dumb way, because Grisaia is basically an Eroge where the writers have put a lot of effort into story and characters, but never shifted the focus away from the H content, which ruins a lot.
The amount of dirty talk that the heroines produce on a daily basis would put any group of pubescent boys to shame. I can’t remember them ever talking about kissing, but I do recall a lot of instances where they’re hinting at how badly they want their cherry popped. Either they’re always watching porn whenever they’re off-screen, or this Yuuji guy produces some ridiculously powerful pheromones. That, coupled with a lot of pointless fanservice makes the characters less believable and breaks immersion. Sometimes, as much as 1/3 of a route is spent on fanservice and H-scenes. Sometimes, the transition to H-scenes is so horrible, it makes you want to facepalm for hours: “Blew up my school. Time to have sex”. Sometimes, the events are so disturbing and cringeworthy that you seriously have to ask yourself if you really want to continue playing this game. I mean, come the heck on, a heroine that looks and acts like a grade schooler AND calls the protagonist “papa” should never, ever have H-scenes with him!! To express it with Kanon’s words:
[quote=“Kanon, post:4, topic:1258”]
My god is this disgusting.[/quote]
So the anime actually captured the core of Grisaia pretty well: Fanservice has the highest priority.
To me, Grisaia looks like an overly optimistic fantasy of a perverted old dude that begins with “If only I was young again”. Kazami Yuuji is an extremely unrealistic protagonist. Not only is he ridiculously overpowered and has the ‘perfect’ personality, he talks like someone three times his age. For example, he knows about ALL the things that make women annoying and how to deal with them. It goes beyond mere book-wisdom or stuff that someone else might have taught him. The way it is presented, it sounds like genuine life experience that he couldn’t possibly have attained considering his age and backstory. Of course, he is super popular not only with the heroines but literally every female he ever encountered. His only shortcoming is that he is that he lacks common sense, but hey, so do all the heroines.
So what IS good about Grisaia? Well, most of the characters (the ones that weren’t produced by wishful thinking) and some routes (the ones that aren’t centered around fanservice and utterly pointless over-the-top brutality). Bad writing and pacing issues (in the VN) has been mentioned often enough on this topic, so I won’t elaborate on that.
This might sound weird at this point, but I do consider Grisaia as a whole quite enjoyable. But it could have been so, so much more enjoyable …
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Enough about Grisaia being “disgusting”. Enough about it being “wasted potential”. Literally, that’s all this topic is now.
What you guys need to understand is that FrontWing, the company behind Grisaia, was, is, and always will be primarily a nukige company. Or, in other words, makes games only for sex. I mean, have you seen their other games? There is literally a game where [the protag is looking for “Seven Holy Dildos”][1].
This is the exact same situation Katawa Shoujo. It’s good for what it is. It’s the best FrontWing has to offer now and that’s the reason why it’s so popular, it’s borderline nukige with some actual story thrown in that isn’t about sex in the first place.
I for one LOVED the characters, and their backstories. I liked every single route (I’m mad about Yumiko having such a lackluster one compared to the others though.) and the way they presented them didn’t really feel forced on you much. Hell, after going through (Amane) half the route where it’s nothing but H-scenes, you get close enough to Amane that she tells you her backstory. And don’t even try to tell me there’s no excuse for Amane having half her route dedicated to sex; SHE’S THE BIG TITS CHARACTER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
The comedy is great, the backstories are explained well, and the h, is well, just there. It’s no Little Busters! or G-Senjou no Maou for sure, but it does it’s job, and it does it pretty fucking well.
tl;dr stop hating on the game that beat your fav vn lol its getting released here for a reason
If someone brings up my age as a counterargument then they’re fucking blind.
[1]: https://vndb.org/v1499
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I believe the general consensus is, most people don’t particularly hate it, however the hate that is there is massively because of the disappointment because it did try to be different from their roots.
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I don’t think it’s so bad to feel disappointed by it just as much as I don’t think it’s so bad to appreciate it. You can do both. I honestly would feel that more people would be supportive of the attempt to break out of an industry that is so caked down with the obvious, despite it still being what it is at the core- Even if some may find it pretentious.
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I think I’ve made my thoughts clear through-out the thread but I just have to ask, don’t you think there was wasted potential? I don’t agree it’s disgusting (don’t find Makina having H-scenes any worse than Kud or Ayu in the looking young department, Ayu even acts young. Same with the papa thing since I consider that the same as Kanon calling Kyousuke “onii-chan” in G-senjou no Maou). Also I’m a little confused by
and the h, is well, just there. It’s no Little Busters! or G-Senjou no Maou for sure, but it does it’s job, and it does it pretty fucking well.
I thought LB had terrible H content as it was shoe-horned in. Haven’t read LB though so I’m going by what I’ve seen on the internet.
I wasn’t really comparing Grisaia h scenes with Key h scenes, that line just came out at a bad time I guess. I was comparing Grisaia to the two games I mentioned as a whole. Who would even say Little Busters! had slightly even bearable h scenes lmfao
Sure, wasted potential. They could’ve done better, sure. But so could every other game out there, there will always be people saying “they could’ve done SO much better” for everything. I’m saying Grisaia is great for what it is, and doesn’t need to be the same as LB! to be good, or something like that.
Hi, here’s the difference between the quest for the seven legendary dildos and Grisaia: Grisaia expects you to care.
Grisaia writes a childish story but expects you to treat it with the respect of an serious novel. It THINKS it’s worth that respect while also being like ‘look, boobies! teehee xD’.
I don’t hate juvenile garbage that knows it’s place, but if juvenile garbage thinks its really something special, then it’s asking for it.
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Except this is the first time they’ve done that, so of course it’s not gonna be perfect. It comes back to them being that sort of company.
Yeah no. I don’t accept ‘it’s the first time they’ve done this’ as an excuse for any media, ignoring flaws because it’s the first time the artists have dove into is something I will not do, if it’s flawed, it’s flawed.
So you’re saying if something is flawed, you won’t excuse them for it? Not when everything else has flaws? Not even if it’s the first time they’ve done it? Do you seriously expect people to do everything perfect the first time?
