Not a supercomputer. It was a programm, created by a previous generation of the Occult club. Akane dug it up and had someone implement it for portable devices, as an app.
It was called La+, hinting at “Laplace’s demon” - a being, or a supercomputer, that, if you fed it enough data (like the position of every atom in the universe), could precisely predict every part of the future through calculations.
Welp, in the end, the name of the program was actually a word play that somehow conained the word “naked”, and it only predicted situations where the user would end up naked.
Yes, it’s probably what you’re thinking right now. Kagari’s blueprint is very close to being a Laplace’s demon.
La+! That’s what I was thinking of.
And yes that’s what I was getting at, the blueprint is very much like laplace’s demon, with the exception of incorporating many worlds instead of one single deterministic outcome.
Huh, never seen those before. I think the idea is kind of stupid, but hey, if that’s what the writers want, then sure.
No. They were before, when an answer to survival wasn’t known. It wouldn’t make sense to place them after Terra in the timeline. This is what Moon Kagari spent all those years doing.
They did. It’s said right near the start of the route.
How do you know? Is the geology of the world in Terra the same as in every other route? I don’t think we get enough information about such things to make that judgement… This is coming from someone who has been mapping out Kazamatsuri.
True and false. They weren’t simulations. The things that are placed into the theorem become reality, such as all of Kotarou’s friends showing up to battle, or Sakura’s familiars appearing. Kagari was testing worldlines with it though.
You can think of it as a simulation I guess, but it’s not a digital simulation, it’s a mental one, that tries to explore every possible choice and action that could ever come to be.
Whether you see it as a simulation or not, it is still something that happened, even if it was in a parallel universe. Once one works, Kagari can send it off to the original Earth.
As is said in those notes that Naoki posted, there are multiple worlds.
You don’t discount the Steins;Gate routes as simulations, and it’s exactly the same for this. They all exist, one with the other.
That choice in Terra is basically the main unsolved point where Kagari went wrong every other time. Terra comes after the routes. It’s questionable why the choice even exists in Terra, I think it’s just fan-service, but maybe Kagari didn’t have time to get that far during all the hectic fighting during Moon, so the choice that had to be made wasn’t predefined like every other choice. It didn’t really have to be either. Kagari had added what she needed to.
Making that choice basically means you are repeating the same mistake as in every other route.
Choosing the other option means you get the good end.
lol
It did change.
“The Earth was once filled with life originating from a meteor. As time passed, humanity was born naturally. Then they were destroyed before colonizing space, and had to re-evolve. By that point in time, the Earth was on the verge of drying up, so some of the aurora flowed to the Moon.”
Basically, humans died (either from salvation or from extinction) before figuring out how to live on other planets. The Aurora kickstarted new life on the Earth, and the long evolutionary chain up to humanity began again. The planet was dying from keeping life going for so long, so some of the Aurora moved to the Moon to to survive, while the rest of the Aurora stayed on Earth to… I guess slowly die and waste time for the Moon to find an answer.
While Moon was looking for an answer, life on Earth died again, and the planet had time to recover from sustaining life 24/7. Then, just as the Moon began to die as well, Moon found an answer, and Earth had been given enough time to harbour life again. Moon sends her answer off to Earth, and the Earth executes it.
Nah, that’s probably correct.
They said that before Naoki’s clarifications. They weren’t ignoring him… much ._.
Pinpon~! It’s this idea that makes the Terra route what it is. If you don’t understand why Kotarou is suddenly so determined after all that happened, then I don’t know how you wouldn’t get whiplash from his change in character.
This is something that a lot of people either ignored or forgot. Kotarou said he wanted to see her again. What implications would that desire have on his life growing up?
The Terra route is a start. It isn’t a continuation.
…Uh, the Theorem? The whole main focus of Moon is centered around a girl changing factors in a theorem to figure out the best result. They just follow the blueprints that Kagari drew up.
It’s not hard to understand that if you make a certain sequence of choices, you reach a certain conclusion.
Kagari figured out that Gaia and Guardian fighting brought a lot of awareness of the state of the world to humanity, so she goes there, and tries to change their focus from fighting, to surviving. Naturally, Kazamatsuri is a result of that.
The factors all stay the same. Kagari looks at the factors, changes one, and sees the result. She does this over and over until we get what Terra was. She wasn’t replicating factors, she just wasn’t changing them.
Don’t do that in a discussion about a fictional work.
Read the other posts.
You are confusing reader-assigned universes with in-story universes.
A reader-assigned universe is something we attribute to a fictional work. The Harry Potter universe. The Pokemon universe. They are ways of saying “everything that exists within that piece of work.”
An in-story universe is an existence within a fictional work. Timeline alpha and timeline beta in Steins;Gate are examples. They are different realities.
There is no difference.
That metaphor is terrible. Ignore it.
Aurora is more effective at creating life when it touches something it’s never touched before. The more it touches something, the less effective it is at creating life. If the Aurora doesn’t touch a certain thing for a while, the thing starts to forget interacting with the Aurora, and goes back to being more effective.
I kind of disagree. A standard blueprint doesn’t have reality-altering properties like Kagari’s theorem had.
I see it as a sort of command center. It logs what came out of the parallel worlds, and then can be manipulated to change the current state of reality. It does act as a blueprint that worlds follow, but it is a blueprint that controls existence. They aren’t just mere simulations, they are as real as the world of Moon or Terra are.
This is the only idea of what they are that makes sense, considering the things it can do.
It’s Romeo. They are gonna miss out some of the deeper meanings to the original text. The basic one or two layers of text will come through in translation, but any deeper interpretations and meanings will be missing.
It’s pretty funny that his name is Romeo, considering Shakespear’s works have the same translation problems for the same reasons.
Yes, congrats.
Oh, hey. My command center idea actually fits in here.
Yeah so I talked to Baba about Rewrite today and @Pepe can confirm since he was with me. He said how everyone was pretty confused so he had to talk to Tanaka directly to clarify what was going on. I was wrong; the blueprints were indeed simulations. You know what else were simulations? The heroine routes. They were just from the blueprint simulations. Everything I believed in is wrong, so I’m done.
Yup, I can confirm. I honestly didn’t understand half of what he was saying, but then he mentioned “simulation” and I asked him if it was Kagari’s simulations and he confirmed. So, uhhh… That leaves us in a bit of a tight spot ^_^;;;
My current running theory now is that, right when Kotarou is about to attack Kagari, some aurora had already seeped into the moon, and had started flourishing. In what seemed like a split second on Earth, Moon Kagari had already been simulating all the possible routes of salvation, and Moon Kotarou somehow appeared (I have no idea yet how), and he helped her find the choice to salvation.
After realizing what that choice was, Moon Kagari instilled into Kotarou’s brain not to attack Earth Kagari, thus causing the progression of Terra route.
I think it jives with the memories section because it says
[quote]Earth was on the verge of dying up[/quote] which means it wasn’t quite devoid of aurora yet.
What of the parallel overlapping worlds, then? I honestly think they happened on the Moon. The moon has a way smaller surface area than the earth, so, once Aurora seeped into the moon, it spread extremely rapidly, causing it to become too dense, thus creating multiple parallel worlds and allowing the simulations to occur.
Now, I don’t know how they’d define simulation. I’m guessing it’s along the lines of…
However, it is only a simulation from the perspective of Moon Kagari. It’s a reality to those within her simulations, therefore they are technically parallel universes.
I think that could fit. Moon Kagari, who is basically an avatar of the Aurora on the Moon, is the one simulating everything, therefore the other possible worlds are being created by the Moon Aurora.
The Earth Kagari had a pattern of salvation and re-evolution, but the Moon Kagari seemingly had a different purpose. For the Earth Kagari to create these possible futures seems… different to what her past actions would tell.
I feel like I’ve said this a couple of times. The novel never mentions anything about the Earth having the density needed to form overlapping worlds. It’s confirmed to happen on the Moon so isn’t the easiest conclusion that the whole story up until the end of Moon(route) is set on the Moon(celestial body)? It’s the simplest solution and I haven’t seen any contradictions, but I don’t actively search for them.
I care about myself more than anyone.I help other people. If someone fails on the roadside, I help them get up. But that’s because it makes me feel good. I did something good. I’m a good person. It feels good to help people. I don’t actually care about the other people at all. I’m not honestly worried about them. I’m just satisfying myself. I’m just being pragmatic.
I think a lot of people are like that. In fact, I can’t imagine anyone would help people if they didn’t feel any pleasure from it. But that’s not the problem. All living things satisfy their own desires. Self-fulfillment is the ultimate objective of life. Why is feigned beauty the only way to accomplish that?
…because we want to be accepted by the herd. I want everyone to praise me. To like me. I want to be popular. To be respected.
… I want a place where I belong.
After reading it, I was unsure whether it really is possible to have that kind of thinking: to be selfish yet being able to help others at the same time.
I feel like this is another one of those land-mines that will lead to a huge derail, let’s keep that from happening.
It seems perfectly logical to me. No one ever really does anything that doesn’t benefit them. Someone who is perceived as generous is really just able to attain happiness from helping others. People who don’t get that same feeling of satisfaction won’t help others unless there is something else in it for them: these people will be perceived as selfish.
I have to say that Aspirety made a very good and detailed explanation of the Moon route. I finished the route yesterday and like many others I was as confused as well in the beginning. From reading your post and others, I think I can understand why Moon Kagari had to come up with possible simulations from the blueprints to save the Earth. My understanding is that in order for the aurora to thrive on the Earth and the Moon, the set of conditions that the soil from either of them have to sustain enough life in order to preserve itself. The fact that Moon Kagari was able to set those conditions would have probably take millions of years just to find the solutions to save the Earth. The fact that the previous five heroines’ route were only simulations surprised me a bit but after the fact that the message that Kotarou had sent after the aurora left the Moon proves that there is chance that maybe in the Terra route that the Earth could be saved.
When Kotori and the others came back from Kotarou’s memory, I was on the verge of tears seeing them once again and they were back just like in the days of the Occult Club. Yoshino is probably the best bro and cool guy ever and Sakuya is just as awesome as ever.
I have personally enjoyed this route a lot more because it is tying everything together and I can’t wait to read the final route.
Moon was a pretty confusing route but… Aren’t you guys overthinking it a lot? The earth was on the verge of dying so Kagari (Moon) was looking for a solution to save it. With the help of Kotarou, the Oka-ken and their buddies who fought the freightning Sakura and her baddies, she found a solution --> Terra. The whole Aurora matter was pretty confusing so it’s better to ignore it… simply.
But then, here’s another thingy… Kagari was having a hard time looking for a solution because all of her simulations didn’t lead to HAPPY END for the Earth… All? WRONG!! If the common route is all part of her simulations then how can they possibly forget about Oppai Ending?! I know that it’s just some kind of comical route but STILL it lead to an ending waaaay better than Terra’s. Or… could it be that even that what’s after that ending leads to… the Earth dying? I still didn’t read Shizuru’s HF route that apparently happens in the Oppai world to know if it does but I’m having a hard time believing so since all evil in that world disappeared s no bad memories could be created and so the Earth should continue living, right?
I feel bad for laughing, but I think its pretty funny that Aspi said “NO SCREW SIMULATIONS” and then Baba came along and said, “NO, SCREW YOU, ITS ALL SIMULATIONS” XP
Anyway, I guess the biggest question for me now is… why was Kotarou on the Moon?
I sat here for a long while contemplating everything, and suddenly had an “ah-ha!” moment. And then it turned into this whole theory… well, enjoy:
“The Earth was once filled with life originating from a meteor. As time passed, humanity was born naturally. Then they were destroyed before colonizing space, and had to re-evolve. By that point in time, the Earth was on the verge of drying up, so some of the aurora flowed to the Moon, where fresh material was still available. This is how the garden was formed.
That was fine for a while, but then the Moon dried up as well. By then the Earth had recovered somewhat, to the point where one more attempt at evolution seemed like it might just be possible. this the aurora flowed back to Earth.”
Memories: 007: Kagari (Earth)
There was something huge that had always bugged me about a certain character: Sakuya. He says it himself, that he was the previous Kotarou, the one who could Rewrite himself. But then there’s something about that happening thousands of years ago… and yet the humans in Sakuya’s memory are acting the same as if they were modern-day humans. That just does not make any sense… Unless you consider the above quote.
The answer: Sakuya was one of the “first-humans”, lets call them. As he told in his memories, and as the Memories section tells us, the first-humans were faced with Destruction, and failed. Sakuya being the being that he his, Rewrote himself into a tree, and passed on into the next cycle of humans, lets call them the “new-humans.” (Shizuru’s route is essentially a repeat of this, except humanity survives in "a place safe from the Destruction. A new humanity would not have been able to re-evolve anyways, because after all, that was a failed simulation.)
But then the aurora realizes something: there’s not enough of this “fresh material” that the aurora uses to sustain life for this next cycle to fully evolve. So the aurora hops over to the Moon where it can survive while it waits for the “fresh materials” to recover on Earth. But it seems that the Moon (i.e Kagari) knew that the “fresh materials” on the Moon would only last long enough for the Earth to recover enough for one more attempt at evolution. So, using the property of the overlapping worlds due to the much smaller service area of the Moon, it started running simulations (yes, on the Moon) to determine the optimal equation for evolution to occur fully on Earth, since there was only one more try.
So how does this answer why Kotarou is on the Moon? I’m getting there. Now, I dont have lines to justify my next assertion, but I think it makes sense logically: Just like the Kagaris are incarnations of the Moon and the Earth, I believe that Sakuya and Kotarou are somewhat of incarnations of the aurora. Assuming this is true, remember that when Sakuya/the aurora fails and humanity is destroyed the first time, some of the aurora flows to the Moon. And bingo! Not only does this explain how Kotarou got on the Moon, it explains why Sakuya and Kotarou can both be incarnations of the aurora and exist at the same time (because Sakuya stayed on the Earth in the form of the tree).
This also explains why Kotarou remembers all of the simulations. He is the aurora, and it is the property of the aurora to create overlapping worlds when the celestial body doesnt have enough surface area. All those overlapping worlds happened for him, but they did not happen for the Earth.
So then to answer the “when does this all occur in the scheme of Rewrite” question, what happens after the solution is found is as follows: Kotarou/The aurora flow back to the Earth. And the Earth restarts from scratch, following the formula, this time happening in the way Terra plays out. So the simulations do not occur at the moment of the choice not to attack Kagari, but before the Earth restarts one more time.
By the way, I really like the idea of calling Moon route the Kagari route in this way. Because it really is such a romantic story. The aurora (Kotarou) is in love with the Earth (Earth Kagari). But the aurora fails. Instead of letting the aurora be forced to leave, however, the Moon (Moon Kagari), the Earth’s sister, not only sacrifices herself so the aurora can stay, but works endlessly so that the aurora and the Earth can be together. While the aurora is waiting, though, he falls in love with the Moon as well. This makes it all the more tragic when the Moon has used up all its energy, and while the aurora now gets to go be with the Earth, he must leave the Moon behind forever.
Pretty sure this only unlocks after completing Terra.The entry starts with: “This entry contains unadulterated super-spoilers”, after all.
What is Aurora?
A miraculous energy created in the Big Bang. Without it, life is essentially impossible. It has properties of matter and acts similar to bacteria. However, it’s not a sentient being. Aurora thrives in physical matter, but long periods of exposure leads to that matter losing it’s ability to house Aurora. The continued spread and prosperity of Aurora is what Kagari refers to as “good memories.”
Sources: 12
What is the garden?
The garden is a confined space on the Moon created by an innate property of Aurora. It takes the form of numerous overlapping worlds(or possibly universes) in the shape of Earth. The different heroines’ routes along with the untold stories about the Bayern Knights, for example, are memories from some of these worlds. Moon Kagari used the garden as a sandbox to find any sequence that would lead to good memories.
Source: http://i.imgur.com/Dbge83a.png
Why are people on the Moon?
The reasons vary slightly from person to person. The “normal” way of transcending the garden is to have a connection with Kagari. Kotarou is the only one with a connection strong enough to actually materialize, but we see weak projections of the heroines around as well in the chapter Fragments of Causality. The heroines and Yoshino’s gang are summoned through Kotarou’s strong connections with them; due to their lacking bond, they can just vaguely sense Kagari’s presence. Kashima is the only human to transcend the garden on her own. It’s not stated how, but we know it came at a great cost. Sakuya’s being there is elaborated on in HF. He travels though the Aurora with the help of Gil and Pani. All the characters who reach the Moon are amalgamations of all the branches of the garden.
So I don’t see rewriters as incarnations of Aurora, at least not more than any other form of life. However, they have a unique ability to use Aurora and genetic information to do basically anything. Other super humans only use a small portion of their gene-pool.
People get really hung up on this whole simulations thing, and I’m not sure why. The garden is a lower existence to an extent, but that doesn’t make it less real.
Lovely theory! Pretty much explains how I understood the entire Rewrite story. As for whether Sakuya and Kotarou are incarnations of aurora, I still have some doubt about it but it is a likely one. I think the sentence below says something about it too.
My thoughts on Sakuya and Kotarou (the Rewriters) is that they are superhuman who has the ability to manipulate the very essence that made them, i.e. lifeforce/aurora.
And something about Sakura, anyone knows how she found out what Kagari is doing? My understanding is that she is like the pinnacle of human intelligence or the human species to fully understand aurora and she realized in one of the world that she is in a simulation and somehow manage to break through the simulation (reminds me of the real-life question of “Are we living in a simulation?”). She probably found out Moon through Kotarou as stated below:
Yep, Oppai Ending was good, but it probably is a failed one too because the main point (Terra/Oppai Spoilers) [spoiler] is not about letting Earth survives because it will eventually dies when Sun uses up all its fuel, and all life will be wiped out. It is about letting intelligence life continues on, so intelligence life in Earth need to go out into space and find a way to live there or colonize other planets. Oppai route did mention about humanity building some sort of oppai spaceship to explore the universe, but it probably failed too, because, this is just my speculations, the technology to harness lifeforce/aurora is not understood enough or known to the public. In Terra, Kotarou Faction leaked out everything about Gaia and Guardian, which includes the technology to harness their own lifeforce/aurora. I think this is the key part in colonizing space?
Hey, maybe because Kagari just hate it so she kills off that branch XD [/spoiler]
Guys… I really think you should not consider Oppai route as something that affects the lore of Rewrite. Kagari herself wishes to deny the existence of that possibility, and I think we should all respect her wishes
