well VisualArt’s are credited with the music production so they are in control with the OST choice.
Also I will burn then in the saury cooker thing if they don’t put Koibumi and Itsuwaranai Kimi e in the anime
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- No, it’s not a fact.
- It’s seems extremely unlikely that they would used that song considering it’s made specifically for Shizuru’s route and contains very direct references to the plot of said route.
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Not to be nitpicky, but it was never really confirmed to be an ‘original route’. What the interview said was an ‘original development’. This is quite a broad phrase, so it’s not very clear at the moment what their goal with it actually is. Though, like you said, as long as it’s similar to the previous Key adaptations I’ll be fine.
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There’s no proof that at least some form of Shizuru’s arc won’t be included. Like I said before, cutting off the routes like that is butchering it.
But Koibumi doesn’t fit if it’s just a part of the plot. (Shizuru)The whole song is based on Kotarou and Shizurus’ relationship as well as their separation. How the fuck would that work in a story featuring all heroines.
While you have a point, do you think they care? (Not talking about Key, but 8-bit). I mean, it doesn’t matter if an anime is about friendship or space or anything, most of the songs are about love. I think they probably do not give a damn about the lyrics.
Considering pretty much every song used in anime is extremely closely related to the plot? Yes, I think they pay attention to this stuff.
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Most anime are either original, adapted from manga or LNs, which means they get to create the songs for the anime, so they obviously make something related to the anime. Now VNs already have soundtrack, thus its a different story…
It was a joke dude :love: Of course it’s not a fact. I thought the Yukito with glowing eyes gave it away that I was just joking.
Just my way of saying that I’d like to hear Koibumi play in the anime. Whether it’s for a OVA, Movie, etc. It would be a waste, not to play Koibumi at least once in the anime.
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Just because the VN already has good songs doesn’t mean they have to reuse them. I agree with what Helios said in that it simply wouldn’t make sense to include Koibumi unless they put in Shizuru’s route. And if they do put her route, they would be hard-pressed to put in the other routes.
I agree in that the chaaracter routes in Rewrite are the best, but… that doesn’t remove the possibility that the original anime route would be 10x better. See, one thing I disliked about the character routes of Rewrite (and most VNs, frankly) is that they tend to ignore the existence of all the other characters. Rewrite especially because of what happens. But with the new route, they can make that a non-issue! We could finally see the emotional struggle of how characters who were formerly friends must endure that for their society, with Kotarou in the middle of it all.
Or they could make a different story 
It really does make things more exciting, IMO, and I don’t mind having the character routes become a VN-only omake because, well, Rewrite’s story works perfectly well in that situation.
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Guys, guys, you’re making me dread checking this topic every time theres a new post. @ZakM said it pretty well, but its more than just wanting an as-faithful-as-possible adaptation: if people are this high-strung before airing about aspects that no one knows how/if they will be included in the adaptation, how are people going to react when the anime is actually airing?
Its one thing to express a certain aspect you’d really love to see included in the adaptation, but its another to repeat yourselves over and over again, getting worked up about little details that probably wont even affect the overall experience anyway.
Im not trying to say we should stop discussing stuff. In fact, the opposite: I’d really love to see some more intelligent speculation over how the creators might depict a certain scene, how certain aspects might be included and others not in order to create a certain effect.
FOR EXAMPLE, instead of just “Koibumi needs to be included or else!!!”, how about “Koibumi needs to be included because it expresses ___ theme which I feel is central to Rewrite.”
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So when I read the interviews with Tanaka, there was one thing that everything seemed to point at: a low episode count. To look at what we have so far: Chihaya will have her super strength emphasized; Lucia will play a more combat oriented part; Shizuru will be made more mature and dependable. The point about Chihaya just screams that she will be shafted hard, not that she had much development to begin with. Lucia seems to be in for a similar fate; fighting is far from what her story was about, so if she gets any development, it should be more streamlined with rest of the story. (Shizuru) Shizuru is the girl who fights off familiars from atop a moving motorcycle while deaf and feeding half her life force to Kotarou, and they telling us she will be more dependable. What more can she do!? Tanaka’s statement only makes me think they will be cutting the early parts of the story when Shizuru isn’t the biggest bamf who ever lived. Kagari’s part in the story and personality will be way different from the VN; I’ll get back to this. Next is a thing I was thinking of before the interviews actually. (Terra) No worldline starting from the common route can lead to good memories; that’s the most important fact in the Rewrite universe. So an anime which only follows one world must lead into Moon somehow. But it’s hard to lead into Moon, where all heroines fight for a single cause, by being accurate to the garden routes where they are at opposition with each other.
All those points make me think that this thing is not going to be long. But to cause some ruckus, I’ll slap together a bold prediction that people can link to later. And if I’m greatly mistaken, I’ll eat a cake(indeed a whole cake). The anime is gonna have some third faction other than Gaia and Guardian that everyone can unite against. The new Kagari will be a catalyst in this new conflict. It’d probably make the most sense if she has some bonding with Kotarou and then gets kidnapped, after that Kotarou will reunite the okaken to save her. Wrapping that up will make one cour and opening up for Moon/Terra. This will make everyone’s relationships and allegiance in Moon make more sense.
Disclaimer: I’m not describing what I want or what I think would be the best adaptation but rather my solution to a very difficult conundrum.
I said I’d get back to the issue of Kagari’s character, though there isn’t much I can say with how few people have read Harvest Festa. Let’s just say that this is the part of the adaptation with the greatest potential of disappointing me because I love Kagari in HF. My longest forum post to date is in that topic. Like Tanaka said, this Kagari can be very different from previous iterations, and I really hope they don’t fuck it up because it can affect the perception of HF.
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I doubt anything at all can be even 20% better than Lucia`s route.
[quote=“Pepe, post:459, topic:2127, full:true”]See, one thing I disliked about the character routes of Rewrite (and most VNs, frankly) is that they tend to ignore the existence of all the other characters. Rewrite especially because of what happens.
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This is one thing I like about Rewrite routes. I mean, a route is supposed to focus on a certain character. Ignoring the other characters makes it easier to maintain the focus of the route. I’ve played two VNs with routes that include the other characters like you say. One of them (Koichoco, which I dropped after the second route) was pretty bad and the other (Konosora) has easily the weakest set of routes among the VNs I like.
The thing is, keeping other characters in the route feels like the routes are just common route extensions. I like the focus shift, the existence of completely different stories and experiences in each route.
You’re getting me really scared here bud… Well, I’ll start baking that cake then…
Good thing you’re baking. We’d all be dead if Sanae-San cooked it.
And we’d all die twice if Akiko did the frosting… :love:
Worries aside… I don’t care how messed up this adaption MAY BE/ MAY GET cause Moon is really my personal favorite. And it’s really almost impossible to mess up moon from how short it is. Only worrisome thing would be visuals for Moon. Though of course they can also mess up pacing and actions and even direction for moon, I’m talking about the general story at least.
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Warning: I tried to be vague regarding Moon, but I can see how some might construe what I wrote as spoilers. Feel free to mark this if you think so.
Moon’s adaptation has the advantage of being short and linear, but it also has the disadvantage of being really complicated. Think about it: even in novel form, tons of people didn’t understand what it was trying to say. I have an incredibly high opinion of Moon, but partly because it doesn’t just spoonfeed information to you. Kotarou doesn’t understand Moon either; it’s a learning experience, and Moon is written in such a way that requires the reader to put abstract ideas together to form the answer. The lack of visuals beyond a few CGs only serves to emphasize the abstract nature of the writing. We don’t see details because we can’t see them. It’s all just very beautiful writing in the way things connect together to give you what is the core of Rewrite’s story.
So there’s kind of 2 extremes anime Moon can do: try to replicate that mystery of the abstract or just spoonfeed the information. Both have their problems, and I suspect they’ll go for the latter because of how confused people were from reading the VN. But even spoonfeeding Moon’s answers is hard because it’s just conceptually difficult for some people to grasp. So you’d be sacrificing incredibly beautiful storytelling in hopes of dampening confusion. At that point, viewers just have to take things at face value because they lose the ability to form theories. This isn’t to say that the information is “dumbed down,” but I think it prevents people from realizing just how intricate the story really is.
Of course, that leaves the other option. Again, if people were that confused from the VN, an anime isn’t going to better (if you tried to replicate it, at least). This is one of those subtleties in the difference between a novel and an anime. As said, Moon is short, so this helps a lot, but Moon also doesn’t waste many lines. All of Kotarou’s thoughts are important because we are learning about Moon with him, and we are unable to experience Moon without him. It’s very different than any other part of Rewrite, or most stories for that matter. One of the major distinctions between books and movies/TV is whether the reader imagines what things look like or is shown how things look like. Moon thrives on imagination, but doubly so because it needs to be imaginative. That’s kind of a major component of what is going on. The anime could try to replicate this by only showing certain things but it’s just so much harder to do compared to a VN.
All this said, it’s fairly easy to adapt Moon. I don’t expect to be disappointed unless they do something really extreme with cutting. But as a huge fan of Moon, I think an anime is inevitably going to mess up the story to some degree because the writing was just incredible, and the abstract themes and topics involved are bolstered by the nature of a VN with few visuals and reading from a first person POV. An anime kind of inherently hurts the story because it’s so imaginative by nature, and I fully expect the number of anime-only viewers to truly grasp the story to be fairly low. Not to insult anyone because it’s just that complex and I’m doubting an anime could convey the information as well as the VN. I mean, I didn’t get it either until Tanaka slapped me in the face with his stupid authorial rights.
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All of Kotarou’s thoughts are important
[/quote]This is actually one of my biggest concerns for this adaptation, because its something I noticed many times in all of Rewrite, not just in Moon. Kotarou thinks… a lot. I remember reading a scene and thinking to myself, “How could they possibly adapt this, since the whole point of this seemingly essential scene is all the things Kotarou is thinking to himself?”
While I dont agree so strongly that Moon was so brilliant, what was indeed very good about it was how Kotarou learns so much through either through what were essentially thought experiments, or through basically being fed straight information.
Terra as well, though. Sure, it was a hell of a lot more visual than Moon was, but I dont see how it could possibly hold half the emotion and meaning that it did without Kotarou’s thoughts. This is obviously a problem that any adaptation from reading to watching faces, but I am going to be especially interested to see how it will be dealt with in this case.
As for the actual content of Moon, not just how it’ll be conveyed, I think they could probably leave it as vague as it is in the VN. As @Kaze said, not only the reader, but Kotarou himself not understanding Moon is kinda the point. There are several bits of it that get developed/revealed later in Terra, and I think adding an extra comment or two in Terra could probably help to further explain the parts that still werent clear.
Doubt causes fear… fear causes anger… angre causes hatred… You’ve got to open your eyes, man!
Well while that didn’t totally forget the existence of the other characters, it still rendered them useless to the plot; it’s more of Kotomi’s route from CLANNAD that I would like to see in VNs (and by golly if that was ever a good route)
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The problem isn’t really the other character don’t appear much outside of their route because this is relatif. [spoiler]
In the route of Chihaya and Shizuru, each character has a role, even minimal.
Even in the route of Lucia, the absence of Kotori and Akane can be understood because they are still expected to be normal and the city is in a major crisis.
But in the route of Akane and Kotori, the problem is different. In Little Busters, the characters don’t appear much outside of their route but we know they are still in the band. But here, they are heavily involved in the events and it seems abnormal they can stay away, especially with Chihaya in the route of Akane. Above all when Kotarou is often heavily involved with the Key. [/spoiler]
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But in the route of Akane and Kotori, the problem is different. In Little Busters, the characters don’t appear much outside of their route but we know they are still in the band. But here, they are heavily involved in the events and it seems abnormal they can stay away, especially with Chihaya in the route of Akane. Above all when Kotarou is often heavily involved with the Key.
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[spoiler] I don’t think it is abnormal to have Chihaya outside of Akane’s route. I mean, Akane was like really involved with Gaia, but Chihaya was just a toy for Gaia. If I remember correctly, she wasn’t even in Gaia because she agreed with it, but for other reasons.
As Akane’s route dealt mostly with the matters related to the inside of Gaia, Chihaya wasn’t really necessary. [/spoiler]
If I were to rate Lucia’s route, I’d rate it around 9.7~10/10. How am I supposed to rate something ten times better than that? It’s just impossible! The only possible rating that would fulfill your requirement, would be the lowest rating, 1/10, and honestly none of Rewrite routes get even close to that.
Um… It depends. Some routes (like Kotori’s, that was not a good route imo) had the characters pretty useful to the plot.
The thing with Konosora is that those characters all take plenty amount of time of the routes with useless conversations and scenes. It feels much more like an extension of the common route than a route.
Maybe you’re right, and making other characters involved in the plot would be a good idea (I’ve yet to see a route that does that and succeeds, though). But personally, I have nothing against insulating the protagonist and the heroine in the route.
