*sigh… I tried guys. I did my best to keep this topic from straying into strict opinion territory, but I guess this thread was meant to be an argument anyways… I guess the best thing to do now is just start from the beginning and go from there…
I believe H scenes are a unique thing that is widely used in many visual novels, and is generally shied away from in many other mediums. It is because of this that there are many VNs that have a unique marriage between H and plot; and this relationship does not translate well into other, more standard, ways of telling a story. To this end, I believe that H scenes should be kept in the majority of VNs, and that the community should be more accepting of the unique aspects of the medium instead of ignoring them or attempting to get them removed.
As far as what I do when they come up, I should probably point out that I have never masturbated to an H scene in any VN, nor do I ever plan to. I generally just read them and try to pay extra attention to the character/story development going on. Thought in all fairness, if the game or any of the characters participating are really THAT bad, I have been known to skip them every once in a while.
*Points to @uppfinnarn’s post:
I don’t normally use SnU for this argument, but since it seems a few other people here have actually read it, I’ll go with it. Saya no Uta quite literally could not have been done without sex scenes. If you were to take those out you would be directly removing a HUGE part of the protagonist’s motivations and, perhaps more specifically, he would have lost his humanity. Having sex with Saya is part of what keeps Fuminori sane-ish.
[quote=“Takafumi, post:5, topic:401”]
Any story that uses such content as a means of developing a character is just using a cheap distasteful method to bolster sales.
Some stories are written in an adult pretext and are meant to have mature content in them. Calling those stories distasteful is significantly offensive. (ESPECIALLY considering that I can’t taste very well because of my sense of smell… :()
[quote=“yerian98, post:12, topic:401”]
Unfortunately, a large percentage of H-scenes are very distasteful. They’re put in awkward places, do zero to advance the plot or character relationships, and sometimes are just H-scenes for the sake of H-scenes.
[/quote]There are definitely some out there that are absolutely terrible, yes, but I don’t think it’s quite as big of a number as you might be thinking. At least in my experience, those terrible scenes are pretty rare.
[quote=“JDAM_Cid, post:17, topic:401”]
There are times when H scenes are vital to the story. A follower of mine talked about a company named Neko Neko Soft where it was the case.
[/quote]Interesting… do you know if your follower would recommend their games? I’ve heard the name before, but I don’t know much about them.
[quote=“Takafumi, post:18, topic:401”]
The thing is, in most other story-telling media, they would just imply something happened.
[/quote]This is EXACTLY why I think they should be kept in. VNs have something special here that most other mediums never even had in the first place. Is it so bad to want to keep that unique aspect about them alive?
[quote=“Pepe, post:19, topic:401”]
I would like to think of a counterexample to this, i.e., a story that would suffer in impact or emotion if explicit H-scenes were to be replaced with generally safe sex scenes. The only such examples that I can think of are abusive ones involving sadistic themes but those are no longer considered “safe” because of totally different reasons. If anybody can suggest any counterexamples, I would be glad to listen.
[/quote]Anything by Sphere. KonoSora got a lot of backlash for IMHHW removing them. Hell, I could even argue that Eushully games would suffer without the H.
This is why I tend to not use SnU in my arguments though, since people just dismiss it with “oh, well that game was effed up anyways, so it doesn’t count.”