Little Busters! - Refrain Arc Discussion

5??? I’d say around three at most!

It’s that short? O-O Planetarian is even longer than Refrain?

yh it’s kinda short but long enough to be satisfied. But I do believe some routes get an extra scene or ending after you complete refrain so that kinda makes up for it sorta somewhat.

More than that! Prologue, Episode: Masato, Episode: Kengo, Episode: Kyousuke, Episode: Little Busters, Episode: Rin, Episode: Riki, Epilogue. Eight total!

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Holy shit that’s yours, I’ve watched that thing so many times

I think you have your regrets mixed up. I can’t think of three people who had that regret.

Riki had the crash and let it control his life.
Rin couldn’t make friends and relied on her brother.
Kyousuke didn’t want to leave them behind.
Masato didn’t know what the point in life was.
Kengo didn’t allow himself to have fun.
Komari couldn’t accept death, and regretted everything leading up to death.
Kud had no place in the world. She just abandoned.
Yuiko didn’t get to experience any strong emotions.
Mio forgot her first friend, the imaginary Midori.
Haruka had nowhere to feel safe or loved.

Riki and Rin not being strong enough was the prime goal for the people who made the world. Not because of a regret, but because of a wish. The world was also born from a mix of goodwill and regret, but Riki and Rin were definitely the biggest aspect for the majority of the dreamers. The world was powered by regrets, so those regrets (including Riki and Rin’s) had to be cleared for the world to end. Riki and Rin becoming strong was just the preferred outcome, and luckily enough, their regrets were solved as a side effect to becoming stronger.

Riki and Rin may not have been a part of the group who created the world, but it doesn’t change the fact that the world will remain as long as they regret.
Essentially, Riki and Rin’s future was the catalyst. The regrets were the fuel. Riki and Rin’s future, and everyone’s regrets, are separate things. They just coincide very well.

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I don’t think it’s exactly a coincidence. As you said, Kyousuke didn’t want to leave them behind. But he knew he had to, so he wanted them to become stronger in order to face that disaster. Kyousuke’s will was the main source of the Dream World. The others’ regrets were the fuel, but Riki and Rin becoming stronger was not just a good and possible outcome, but the main goal since the beginning.

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Umm… no…

The crash happened. Only Riki and Rin were gonna make it out. Kyousuke, knowing this, regretted leaving them behind, knowing they wouldn’t be strong enough, and wished he could have made them stronger. Cue orb of light. Then he realizes there are 7 other orbs of light. Cue creation of the world. These orbs could be called regrets, they could be called wished, they basically mean the same thing because having some regret means they have the wish to change it. It could be said that the wish part was what created it and the regret is what fueled it.

I guess I assumed Kengo and Masato’s regrets were similar to Kyousuke’s, but what you said makes sense. Either way, all three of them basically come down to not wanting the Little Busters to be split up and for Riki and Rin to not be alone.

The 5 other girls have nothing to do with Riki and Rin becoming stronger. At least not at the creation of the world. It is made glaringly clear that Riki, let alone Rin, doesnt even know most of them all that well at the beginning except for as classmates. So then why would their dying wish be that Riki and Rin be stronger? And several of the girls run away from Riki in some way during their routes (Mio, Kud, Haruka). Why would they do that if their main goal was to make him stronger?

Riki and Rin do both have regrets, but they have nothing to do with the world itself until the end, when while running away from the crash, Rin creates a 9th orb of light, cue the Last Dream scene. During which Rin fully realizes her regret, but does not have it completely fulfilled: only enough to allow her to be strong enough to survive with the support of Riki. Cue hospital scene. But if you choose “It’s not enough” this is where Riki’s wish/regret finally kicks in. The world restarts again, Rin’s regret is fulfilled completely, and Riki, finally, fulfills his regret.

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You’ve misunderstood.

They aren’t. Everyone’s dying wish revolves around their regret. Kyousuke however is the one who sets this goal, and he is the leader, so it makes sense to say that the leader’s objective is the main one.
He can’t do it without the other characters fueling the world with their regrets, but those characters can’t clear their regrets without Kyousuke leading them. So at the start, it’s basically the heroines working for their own benefit.

As the routes progress, they begin to share Kyousuke’s wish, and it starts to take utmost priority.

Oh OK, indeed I did misunderstood. We were actually agreeing. Perfect :+1:

I always had this idea that even if the other girls didn’t chime in without their regrets, Kyousuke would still be able to sustain that world. He just realized while making it that he could get Riki to help solve their regrets and that would make Riki stronger. Thus a win-win situation which he allowed to happen.

I disagree. The world is done by regrets. It wasn’t created only by Kyousuke, but each of the girls contributed with their regrets/wishes to create the world.

From what I remember Kyousuke was able to maintain the world but it was created by the regrets of Kyousuke, Kengo and Masoto since they won’t be able to protect Rin and Riki. Kyousuke wanted help to make Riki and RIn stronger so he borrowed help from those who had regrets and gave them a second chance with their regrets.

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If that’s the case, then the world should have disappeared after the girls’ regrets were fulfilled

The world became weaker as the heroine routes were completed.
It was falling apart after the final baseball game.
It ended after Riki and Rin looked at their past… If it ended at all.

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you also have kengo and masata’s regrets too. The world ends after completing their regrets with kyousuke’s limited amount of time. I have forgotten how he made check points in reality but i’m preety sure his physical body in the real world affected how long he can manipulate the world.

My own theory as to why it was getting weaker was because, after Rin2, Kyousuke started losing his hope of his regret being fulfilled. Just a theory, of course~

I think we have different interpretations of Kyousuke~
Post-Rin 2 Kyousuke was a tired guy, who didn’t have much time to spare. The time he did spare was spent emulating Riki from the past, so that the current Riki would step up and take on the leadership role.

I also had that impression, that Kyousuke wasn’t really despairing or anything but rather a combination tired from jumping worlds and imitating past Riki. I think it’s implied during Episode Kyousuke.

I don’t remember the VN enough to say, but it’s heavily implied in the anime.