Little Busters!: Episode Suginami (Fan Story)

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#24

I never said you were. Just because you said stuff about Kyou’s route… But, whatever. I get what you mean and I agree that Suginami can be romance-focused.

This must be why I can’t understand. I’ve never experienced this kind of “explainable love”, so I think I would never understand.

If by romance VNs you mean VNs that the main plot is the romance, I’ve never read something like this.

Love is… Damn boring IRL. I do think there’s something wrong with that. I don’t enjoy this concept (don’t mean you’re wrong). That’s why I learned how to not fall in love. It’s just an illusion, and boring. It’s not perfect, like in fiction. I don’t want love in my life anymore. I prefer to spend my time with other stuff than with this useless thing. Besides, I’m already married to Lucia, so, no space for other girls. :slight_smile:

But about Riki/Suginami subject, okay, I agree that love can have a reason, but it doesn’t mean it has to. So there’s no problem with Suginami falling for Riki out of nowhere.

#25

We got some Sally–Anne thing going on here~

That would probably make sense. These are the VNs you mindlessly read for a laugh. Not the things you’d get recommended usually.

Really? I think love would only be boring if life was. Of course, that’s all subjective, but I think you are being a bit too negative :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s not something you really learn. Falling in love is an act of doing. Not falling in love is… nothing. That act doesn’t really exist as anything beyond a phrase. You can’t learn nothing~
Perfect is, again, subjective. A working romance would usually be labeled “perfect” by those in love. If it isn’t perfect then that might not be love.
VN romance has it far from perfect imo. Tropey, dramatic, 2d (hah) and in some cases, it can be cringy.
I do like dating sims, they are nice filler, but they are also essentially a task list. You never get time in fiction to just sit and be happy, because it has to keep going. If it stops, the immersion is broken. That doesn’t happen in life. You can enjoy every moment.
Fiction lacks the immense atmosphere, and the experiences aren’t as rich.
VN romance misses a lot. It’s a good story telling device though.

Oh, yeah. A reason isn’t integral to a plot. Why she started to like him doesn’t matter, so long as the romantic scenes show why the two like each other presently.

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#26

I learned to “avoid” falling in love. I don’t get too close to other girls and avoid thinking about them too much. For example, my childhood friend mentioned above. I really think she’s a bitch, and I would have no advantage by liking her. But I know that if I get closer to her or if I think too much about her, I will definitely fall for her again. This happened three times, I think, but now I learned to control it, and it never happened again.

But the thing is they exclude what’s unnecessary and boring. I find these moments boring. IRL love can’t exclude the unnecessary parts, so the boring parts are still there. Every time I see I couple IRL I think to myself: "How boring… I would never want something like this.

And there’s no guarantee there will be fun parts in the real life romances. It’s not always that dramatic love triangles, beautiful confessions among the sakura trees… will happen. This stuff is thought and planned. But IRL, this is different. The romance can be just ichaicha and financial discussions. Summarizing, EXTREMELY boring.

It’s not like I think love would never work for me. I simply find it boring and have no interest in it. It’s like you are hungry, but in front of you there’s a dish you know you won’t like the flavor. So, you can eat, but you can choose not to eat, too. Well, I prefer not to eat. My utopia has always been loneliness.

And life isn’t all about love.

#27

I was thinking of creating a love topic. This discussion took other path whose main focus isn’t Suginami’s fan story. But I dunno… a love topic would be really strange and I don’t think it fits the community.

#28

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That right there is considered a Kamige which is heavily romance-focused. Even opening chapter alone is pure romance and is just absolutely amazing.

But yeaaaaah as much as I would like to disagree so much with the views of “love” presented here, that’d be too much out-of-hand. My only suggestion is to not discount love and at least let yourself experience it firsthand. And I mean the mutual sort of love that you would get from a relationship.

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#29

A general Love discussion thread about it and our respective (mis)conceptions would be great for a change.

Then again, I dunno if opening a new thread or let the mods do it

Back on topic. Romance could be a focus of Suginami’s route, but also, there’s the issue of seeing the “dark side of a group of friends where people gather to bully other people/groups”

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#30

Lol. There’s no guarantee I will ever get this chance. And I have no motivation to do so. I’m perfectly happy single.

#31

I would love to see a route with a similar idea to this. For example the route is seen from Suginami’s perspective instead of Riki’s so we get to experience her looking across at a group of friends that seem to have that something that she has been searching for and hasn’t quite found. I would love a story that explored a character that is caught up in a bad friendship but due to whatever reasons is hesitant to leave that group for fear not of backlash but of isolation. I found myself in a similar situation one time which basically amounted to sell out my friends to a bunch of people that I couldn’t have cared less about but were present at the time, or isolate myself in a group in order to maintain my own integrity…man what I wouldn’t give to have an ounce of writing ability.

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Lol. There’s no guarantee I will ever get this chance. And I have no motivation to do so. I’m perfectly happy single.
[/quote]Avoiding turning this into Dr. Phil corner I will leave just one comment on this section and advise to keep an open mind. Often we become complacent in the position we are in in life not knowing that something even better is waiting for us. New experiences are not inherently bad and tend to find us when we are least looking for them.

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#32

That’s way beyond what I was talking about. WA2 is actually good.

I think the problem I’d have with this (aside from it being different from Litbus) is that it requires a lot more work on Mutsu’s character. You need to plan out her whole outlook on life… sounds like a lot of work~

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#33

Indeed, as of now we have no idea about Mutsumi’s character except that she is kinda shy but feels comfy with familiar people.

Woah she seems like a typical dandere right there.

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#34

Yeah it doesn’t have to be LB exactly Suginami just happened to be the convenient comparison being on topic already, but I could see it working as like a spin off fan disc ala Kud Wafter style. Those normally have a tendency to break the original games mold anyway don’t they. lol

#35

I just had an idea. What if Suginami had had a crush on a boy when she was younger? Then, she confessed to him and they started dating. But, her family forbid her because she was poor, then they put her in that boarding school, so she could never see that boy again.

She started liking Riki, because he was similar to that boy. But at the same time, she is afraid to suffer the same pain, by somehow losing Riki, and she’s afraid to confess.

Later in the route, when she had already confessed to Riki, the previous boy can show up again and… Bam! Love Triangle!

#36

Not half-bad! Although with the way you describe it, I am getting the feeling that Mutsumi’s heart still lies with the boy from the past, and the “right” choice might be to let her go.

After all, these might be her “regrets”

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#37

But before the love triangle happens, she starts spending time with Riki. So, she starts falling for Riki himself, and when the other boy shows up, she’s not in love with him anymore.

There has to be the moment that Riki finds out about the other boy, though. And this has to be after they start dating and before the boy shows up, because if it’s about the same time of the latter, it would be too complicated: before Suginami could decide between them, Riki still had to put up with the situation and decide about his feelings.

#38

The REAL question here is who gets to write the h scenes

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#39

Where’s the conflict in that story, though? Like, if it pans out that way, then there shouldn’t be any problem, and Suginami stays with Riki. That’d be kind of too happily ever after and sort of bland, IMO

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#40

Conflict? Did I mention she was afraid to confess to him? I also mentioned that her feelings for Riki happened because of OTHER guy, and I’m sure Riki wouldn’t know how to deal with it. And I also spoke of a LOVE TRIANGLE, that often comes of a lot of drama.

I’m pretty sure these are enough sources of conflict.

There can be a bad end, too. There Suginami stays with the other guy. Would this satisfy you? Why don’t you like happy endings? All the routes in LB! had happy endings…

#41

Fitting this into the Litbus world, where do you see it?
Where does this boy come from? Why?
Where in the timeline does it take place?
Does it link to the overarching plot of Litbus at all?

Uh… I mean, Litbus had not-bad-ends… but I wouldn’t say “happy.”

#42

I don’t think it has to be linked to the dream universe. Why not simply put this route as an EX route, that takes place after Refrain? (Actually ME, since EX would require a H-scene, and there’s the problem @Purple mentioned that I don’t think can be solved easily)

The way my story ended wasn’t completely happy. Suginami probably was a little sad for letting the boy go, and the boy was also sad because he was rejected.

#43

Spoiler tags!

The EX routes were pretty dependent on the secret of the world.
Still, you have to think, will it start at the end of Refrain? Will it start in Fall? Winter?
How is Riki being pictured? Can his character development from the VN be seen? Is he just the same old Riki?

It isn’t a matter of happy or sad for the characters. What matters is the reader. Is the ending happy or sad to someone reading it? Will people care if this random guy was rejected?
From what I can tell, you have an ending that isn’t really positive, but isn’t negative either. It’s just… an ending.

I think you need to decide what it is you want this route to be about. What moral do you want to preach?

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