Charlotte - Episode 11 "Charlotte"

It doesn’t have to do with memory, it has to do with inexplicable bumps in a very thorough plan. Where something goes awry where there’s no logical reason for it to- Because the plan was made from so long ago, the outcome of them trying to change it along the line will always end in the death of the family.

Good way to put it.

Pretty much if anything goes against their plan they would kill the driver’s family. In this case, it doesn’t even have to be related to timeleap

They could also have someone with the same ability as pooh. I mean, if the powers exist worldwide, there is no way that every power only exist once.

What about the possibility of someone having “healing” ability or “reviving the dead” ability?

Or maybe they can collect mystical light to reverse the time again.

I said it semi-jokingly. It is kind of funny to think about but at the same time I think it was intentionally set up this way. Every time Nao jumped/kicked and it had that moment when the skirt would flutter, and you expect it to flip but it doesn’t puts this idea in your mind that they are playing with the expectations that most anime series have set up. They present Nao as this “pure” character that they won’t soil with cheap skirt flips so when you see her in this degraded state it brings more impact through that feeling of soiling something that is “pure”.

It was a nice touch for me I liked the set up and payoff.

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Why are you so great, Bowiie.

Or they’re just reinforcing the “the Americans are the enemy” thing by making them perverts.

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Why not both? :stuck_out_tongue:

Okay, this episode was really weird. It felt fine up until Kumagami was captured, and then things became unnecessarily dark. I don’t know if Maeda’s being rushed to bring the series to a close or not, but this turn of events felt strange with some awkward pacing here and there. The pay-off, though, was immensely heartbreaking, even though I’ve had less time to relate to Kumagami than most of the people in this thread.

At the very least, this episode did not ruin the series for me, unlike some others who watched this episode. I really have no idea how Maeda is going to wrap all this up, but I’m excited to see what happens next! :smiley:

EDIT: I thought I’d update my thoughts in this post. There really isn’t much difference from how I feel about this particular episode from last week. It’s pretty rushed, and parts of it make little sense, but the payoff is still heartbreaking. On to episode 12. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I don’t see how making things dark and disturbing is bad. It’s just as many people have said before: Key is trying something new. As far as I’m aware this is the first Key work since Kanon to have a character who actually has ill intentions. And they’re taking that to the max. I think that that is one of the few things this show has done especially well.

That said, I think people are looking at this show the wrong way. Take Key and Maeda out of the equation when you look at Charlotte. Aside from those two aspects, there is absolutely no reason to compare it with the safe and overall happy stories of Clannad or Little Busters. It’s the kind of thing you have to take for what it is. Yes, it’s okay to go in with expectations, but it really isn’t fair to expect Key to pump out the same happy school days+tragic event+deus ex Machina formula time and time again.

Charlotte is far from perfect. It suffers from poor pacing in the beginning, paired with the lack of a central plot till 3/4 of the way through, but aside from that, it’s a fairly generic super power anime. Nothing horrendous, but definitely nothing to write home about. I think it represents a transitional period in the works of Key. They’re trying something new and seeing what works and what doesn’t. Looking at it in the context of Key’s work, it doesn’t fit in at all, but looking at it as an attempt to grow and try new things, it is in the least a fair attempt.

Personally, I waver a lot on my enjoyment of Charlotte. On one hand, it’s kept me interested enough to watch as soon as the episode has aired (which is rare for me) and I always want to find out what is going to happen, but by the same token it doesn’t fit my expectations at all.

tl;dr if you’re expecting another Clannad, you’re silly. This show is Key trying something new, so you should look at it as such. Either way the show is mediocre/good at worst/best.

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I wouldn’t say this episode ruined the series for me… My only major complaint was that the motivation for so many characters to suffer was that a side character (of which we never even saw before)'s family was in trouble. To me it just felt like everyone was wasting their life. If, let’s say, Ayumi or Nao was kidnapped it would be a motivation the viewers could understand and relate to. Or maybe in a previous episode they could have introduced the character and his family making you actually care for them…

I don’t think it’s the “dark” stuff that’s making the show bad. At least that’s content! Charlotte has already done dark, and it was one of the better episodes.
It’s just an easy way to describe the lack of direction the show has, or maybe for some it’s about the pacing.

For one, it was very sudden. I still don’t know the characters very well, and I still don’t know what the show wants to do. Some of the characters acted very differently to what I’d expect. When put under threat, I don’t think I care about a single character in this story so far aside from maybe Nomura… Who I only like because she has a cool hairstyle. Guy might lose his family? Okay. Pooh dead? Okay. Blind guy is sad? Okay.
Can we move on and see something more informative now? It’s probably too late to make me care about these people. At least make a good main plot.
The explanation behind all of the powers was also very half-heartedly done. They basically just told us what we already knew from the opening animation. They linked it back to the first episode, so pachi pachi pachi, even if it was incredibly forced.

You could take the exact same concept, throw it in something like… Classroom Class, and they’d probably manage it much better. Foreign guy kidnaps someone for some form of ransom? Little animal girl assassin shows up? It’s tropey, but that stuff has been used well in the past. Charlotte is just an exception.

You say people are comparing the show to Clannad and Litbus, but I don’t think most of us are doing that. Our complaints stem from Charlotte being bad as an anime. Not compared to other Key works… It’s not even good enough to compare to previous works imo.
If I were to compare it to every other show of the season, Charlotte’s charadev would be about as bad as Chaos Dragon’s. Maybe a bit better or worse depending on the episode, but overall, pretty neck-and-neck.

We’re 11 episodes in and I don’t know where it’s going.
Compare it to the previously mentioned anime…
Chaos Dragon episode 1: Oh okay, these countries are gonna fight and the main party will get caught up in it.
Classroom Crisis episode 5-6: Ah, a classic battle of families, and the main cast are the tipping point!

I could just compare it to the shows I’ve watched today…
Gakkou Gurashi episode 1: A survival slice-of-life.
Joukamachi no Dandelion episode 2: Following around different members of the main cast and learning about them.

Every show I watched this season. Every show I watched the season before, and the season before that… You knew what a show was before the first half of the season was over…
What is the point of Charlotte? What is it? While every other show was setting up for further weeks of entertainment, Charlotte was doing power-of-the-week segments and forced foreshadowing that screamed “please don’t drop me. We’ll do something eventually! I promise!”
When it finally stopped being an episodic, it forgot to find a new direction. At least, that’s how the show looks to me.
In it’s current state, Charlotte just doesn’t compare well to what’s out there, and it doesn’t stand up to my expectations of any show.
I look at my pretty little chart of anime ratings in worry, because Charlotte might be the show that puts my 4-point rating bar into the red.

I don’t think Charlotte is a generic anything. It’s sub-par.
Hamatora is a better example of a “generic super power anime.” Not that good, not that bad, but it has everything you’d expect.

It didn’t help it though. It was an okay episode, but it needs to be more than okay at this point.

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That’s actually a pretty good point. They explain the source of the powers, sure, but give no explanation to the reason people get the powers that they get. Kind of like we’re just supposed to accept this at face value.

And thus is the crux of the problem of the series. Ignoring whether or not it is a good or bad thing for the series, this much is true. We never really know where Charlotte is headed; the story doesn’t have any apparent direction on where it wants to go. And the PVs don’t help a lot either.

In a way, it’s pretty frustrating, but, in a way, it’s also somewhat exciting.


I’ve talked about things like character development and why I think Yuu’s is pretty good, but I often neglect considering whether I should care about the characters or not. It’s a bit of a personal issue, though, so I won’t talk about it. But let’s just say that no single character’s death in any piece of fiction would be capable of making me sad.

Dude, no. Charlotte has bad writings and it doesn’t have anything to do with comparing it to CLANNAD or LitBus!. I don’t expect it to be another sappy school romance with tragedy and tearjerkers. What @Takafumi pointed, I absolutely agree. It has no clear direction. After each episode I can only think “Okay, now what?” instead of getting excited for the next episode while thinking what might happen.

When you say “Key is trying to do something new”, I have Rewrite in my mind. Okay, Charlotte might be new, too… But is it a good excuse to make the storywriting horrible? No. It’s not being “dark” or “gory” or “trying to do something new” which makes it bad. It’s bad because we don’t know where this show is going.

Charlotte also failed to make me care for the characters. We hardly know any of them, maybe aside from Nao and Yuu? So when deaths happen I didn’t feel anything nor I care. Why must we care about Ayumi if she was just a high-pitched weird little sister who cooks daily for our MC? Why must we care about Kumagami if he was just a wet weirdo who randomly appears (even if he’s Shun’s homo partner best buddy)? And really, why should we care about the driver’s family when they’re not even the part of this story? Who the hell are they and why are they so significant!? Maybe for the in-universe character they’re important (but whoo Shun’s group doesn’t even know that the driver guy actually has family) but as a part of important plot point, it’s a bit ridiculous.

I think that’s a half-assed explanation because they only imply those things; it doesn’t guarantee anything about it being tied into a person’s inner struggle.

Maybe a half-assed explanation is good because it gives us more opportunity to imagine the influx of the powers… or maybe it is bad because we genuinely want to know more about this fictional world. I’ll leave it to you to decide.

I dunno, but are there any theories of storywriting that say that lacking an apparent direction makes a story considered as written badly?

I’m not a writer nor had I studied about storywriting theories. But as a viewer, on my personal taste, it’s bad.

Might be worth mentioning that it is your personal taste, then. You say it as if it’s storywriting is objectively horrible, which can be pretty misleading to some.

I would say so. Direction is one of the primary elements in a story that move it forward and give the viewer something to look forward to. In a slapstick comedy direction isn’t really required because you are just there for the laughs, but for a show like Charlotte that is based more on drama and thrills I want to know as a viewer, “Why am I watching this? Where is this story heading?”. The show’s lack of apparent direction keeps me from being fascinated as to what will happen from here. I guess that’s just personal preference but I prefer shows that have a goal, at least, one that is apparent before the last 2 episodes.

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If a song doesn’t follow “Intro, Verse I, Chorus, Verse II, Chorus, etc”, does that make it a bad song?

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