Little Busters! - Haruka Saigusa Route & Character Discussion

Ah yes, Haruka’s route. The one I considered the best character route in LB last time I was asked the question. We’ll see if it holds up to that nowadays, but I think it probably will. It’s just such a damn enjoyable ride to be on all the way, and I absolutely love the spritework on Haruka as they use the same base sprite that we’ve come to associate so much with a carefree smile or teasing expression through the common route to have her express a variety of different emotions in this route, which just really sticks out with Haruka. That’s great directing right there. Really looking forward to being taken on this wild ride once more.

I also don’t think I’ve ever actually read this route while having Kanata as Kud’s roommate, so that’ll be new~

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So I found this weird segment of Haruka’s route in EX. It’s a passage that’s technically connected to the sex scene, so it isn’t in the steam version. I was just thrown off by the dialogue. It’s been too long since I last read the whole route, so I’m not even sure how it fits in with the piece as a whole.

After you expose Kanata’s disguise, you have the conflict in the rain, and Riki escorts Haruka home. Originally, there was just kissing, some extremely cheesy dialogue and then Haruka falls asleep.


In the 18+ version we have this sorta disturbing dialogue followed by a garbage sex scene. I don’t really have anything to say about it other than that I’ll be keeping it in mind while re-reading.

Haruka: “I…”
Haruka: “For you, Riki-kun, I don’t even need a heart.”
Haruka: “I don’t even mind if you stop loving me.”
Haruka: “As long as my heart is useful to you.”
Haruka: “I don’t mind losing everything.”
Haruka: “No matter how many people say I’m not needed.”
Haruka: “If you say ‘I need you’ then.”
Haruka: “Just that would be more than enough for me. ”
Haruka: “So if you say you don’t need me, I’ll go away.”
Haruka: “If you say you never want to see me again, I’ll never get close to you again.”
Haruka: “Because if not even you need me, it’d be better if I didn’t exist.”
Haruka: “…I know there’s someone better suited for you.”
Haruka: “There are so many people in the world…”
Haruka: “But I can’t measure up to any of them.”
Haruka: “I’ll probably say I’m sorry to all the people who don’t need me.”
Haruka: “Even if I don’t think they’ll forgive me…”
Haruka: “I’m sorry.”
Riki: “Haruka-san…that’s…”
Riki: “Why are you apologizing?”
Haruka: “You won’t say ‘I don’t need you,’ if I say it like this.”
Haruka: “I’m being unfair as an insurance.”
Haruka: “I’m sorry, but still.”
Haruka: “You wanting me made me really happy.”
Haruka: “So, this is how, I say, thank you…”
It was if she was trying to convince someone.

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And right at the end is the Sha la la? This… is kinda interesting I guess…

Putting all of that in context, that makes it extremely, extremely sad :sad:

Guess haruka’s a bigger woobie tham we all thought she was

Something odd I noticed about Haruka’s interaction with Kyousuke upon her induction to the little busters…

Why the insistence on keigo when speaking with Kyousuke? Or in the English translation, a formal way of speaking. And not just the fact that she uses keigo but that she says things first in a more casual way, but has to double back and then make her words more formal.

Especially coming from Haruka who has a knack for not really respecting authority all that much, it’s an interesting character quirk they put in. It’s these little things that I’ve noticed in my re-read that is making the experience all the more valuable.

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She also does this with Kurugaya enough times to be noticeable. I get the idea that she respects authority, but to her, authority is something that every individual has to earn themselves.

There’s another layer to Haruka’s keigo. Haruka’s speech is sometimes written in katakana to indicate her intonation, and the most prominent form of this is “ですヨ.” I feel they do this to show insincerety; she’s using polite words but in a joking manner. However, this is not the case during that scene with Kyousuke.


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Oh man finally finished Haruka’s route for the second time, this run was more heartbreaking than I expected. I thought it would be a relatively simple read cuz y’know, second time. I guess life has been more complicated since the last playthrough.

I have no view or opinion towards the romance part of this route, mainly because I have no eye nor preference towards this element of the story.
The story presentation was pretty dang good (seiyu OP btw), I saw some comments about it being “forced drama” to me though, it might be a bit rushed at the end but definitely not forced.

There are some bits I would like to point out though.
First, the family heritage problem introduced is VERY SERIOUS. This kind of issue has resulted in countless bloodshed over the course of history, especially when dealing with big families. So even if Haruka and Kanata knew nothing as children, those around them would have imprinted in their minds that family takes priority (normally referred to as brainwashing). With this in mind, it was a bit surprising to me that Kanata was actually considerate towards her sister (tho she was pretty much a bitch at the beginning).
Second, the physical similarities between Kanata and Haruka is a bit… convenient? They are fraternal twins, but their differences end at eye colour, which is for the sake of the plot I guess.
Third, which is what I mentioned at the beginning, the end was a bit rushed imo. When Riki told Haruka why Kanata lied about being allergic to eggs, Haruka said something like she still can’t let go of it that easily even if she did feel a bit better. (didn’t take screen :sorry:) This kind of reaction towards her going back to her parents would seem more reasonable to me.

As for why the route never makes any attempt to justify the actions of her family but states “There’s no such thing as true evil in the world”, I think it’s a matter of culture and how you interpret that sentence. I don’t know much about western culture in this aspect, but in China (so I presume, in Japan) the family seeks to benefit as a whole, there are innumerable tales, fictional or not, that tells how a family sacrifices a particular person to ensure the family’s prosperity/safety (e.g political marriages). It might seem horrendous to the person (and outsiders like us) but can save many lives. (This isn’t trying to beautify what the family did, just an explanation of what they thought of the situation) And for interpreting “There’s no such thing as true evil in the world”, I personally believe that it’s trying to tell us to have empathy, standing in the perspective of others before landing the hammer of judgement. Which pretty much fits the overall theme of this route.
Talking too much about evil might spark unnecessary controversy so I’ll end it here. I still have like ∞ routes to read, so some stuff might change.
btw, I ADORE Haruka as a character, so there might be some bias (I ain’t seein’ nothin’ but I’m biased :deino:)

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I really like this angle, and can give you my quick (and biased based on my experiences) perspective from the rather individualistic culture that is America.

Similar to most cultures (I assume), expectations of success are rather high in America. You are expected to do well in school, get into a good college, land a decent job and buy the fancy house with a nice picket fence around it. The key difference as I see it (and admittedly, I don’t understand much about collectivist cultures), is that success is expected but not necessarily to honor or perserve the family legacy/name, but for the individual to make a name for themselves. There is a mentality that everyone is on similar or equal footing in terms of opportunities/potential to succeed. You are given the tools to be successful (IE: an education/values/work ethic) and then once you have them, you are supposed to work hard and make something of yourself based on your own merits, and live and maintain your life independently once you have achieved that. There’s a lot of cultural pride in the whole “pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps” thing and conversely, many stigmas regarding things like dropping out of high school/college (or skipping college altogether), living with family past early adulthood (early to mid 20s), or not living up to your expected potential. Even if you are content with your lot in life, you can still be viewed as somewhat lazy if you had opportunities to be more successful but passed them up.

As for how this cultural perspective is used in the route itself, I’m actually still sorting through my feelings on it. I do want to read up a bit more on collectivist culture, as I don’t have a great understanding of it, and maybe that will help my overall understanding here. As the “black sheep” of my own family, this route hit me particularly hard for a number of personal reasons (again, my bias on this sort of topic). It’s always really hard for me to keep a cool head when I hear these kinds of stories, considering my own experiences and after hearing so many similar ones from friends and others. I’ll definitely have more to say on it soon.

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From how I understand it, in collectivist societies, actions by an individual is associated to their entire family. I think this is especially the case for more influential families. A positive deed made by a person is attributed to the entire family. (I come from an Asian country, but not really Japanese, and frankly collectivist attitudes in our place is I think more prevalent in the provinces than in the capital. I know some people who voted a particular politician because this person happened to be related to a very well-regarded person by blood. That’s how political dynasties thrive.)

However, that can also mean that the shame brought by the individual is shame brought to the entire family. One person does something wrong, the entire family is looked down on for it. I’m not sure how prevalent this is in Japan though, but I get the impression that this is what happened to Haruka and Kanata’s families. Having a part of their family become a criminal will seriously stain their reputation, which is something that they carry by name.

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Oh boy. Where do I start.

Well lets begin by a little disclaimer for those who don’t know me, I am…passionate…about Haruka. This route had a huge impact on me in my youth, I got feels of abnormal magnitude that haven’t gone away, so there may just be rambling gushing in this post.

I’ll start with the girls.

Haruka, Easygoing Noisy Girl

[inhales]
So Haruka is fucking love, her hectic bouncy personality is a thorough joy to read, her shitposts are a laugh, the melodic way she talks is a pleasure to listen to(huge shoutouts to Suzuki Keiko), I was drawn to her straight away, always being my favourite girl in the common route as I waited for her route to get translated all those years ago. She’s instantly and easily likeable and if you don’t like her you can fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck right off.

But enough about Common Haruka, lets talk more about the character beneath that thin layer of kookiness, the girl that is only hinted about in common, the broken insecure needy girl, the girl who’s entire personality is a fabrication crafted to get her attention and praise that she so desperately craves.

I want to protect that girl. I want to embrace that girl and tell her I won’t let anything bad happen to her. This is such an abnormal emotion to me, I do not have passion like this to another fictional…or none-fictional person. These feelings are genuine, they were genuine years and years ago and the persisted, resurfacing such as strongly today. Is this weird? Yeah, probably. Will people disagree with it completely? Yeah absolutely. I don’t care, this is love.

She’s perky yet depressed, kind yet selfish, stubborn and weak, a fundamentally flawed character. That’s what makes her a person, that what makes me want to reach out to her in times of need, her happiness is my happiness.

I’m sure I made some people cringe with that, but to me a piece of work that can make one feel emotion and write something so embarrassing without a hint of shame is truly something of quality.

So lets talk about that other bitch.

Kanata

Man I wanna punch her in the face.

The exact opposite of her sibling, a moody sour smug cunt of whom the presence of is a rather unappealing prospect.
I know, I know she was scared, I know she felt guilty, and by all means, I know Haruka actively brought her scorn upon by her own actions intentionally, but I cannot accept some of the vile things she says and does, she deserved a punch in the face, I know she was actively looking for one and that stopping the S E V E R A L people who wanted to give her exactly that is a good thing, is the correct thing, but I don’t care, I want to punch her in the face.

I do not hate her. Let bygones be bygones and forgive her as Haruka did, that I can do easily, something a lot of people I know won’t do and still chose to hate her in the end.

So how about that fucking disaster of a family.

I W I S H T O B U R N T H E I R F U C K I N G H O U S E D O W N

While subdued this time, I vividly recall the genuine fury I felt towards the family, hereon refereed to as ‘scum’, for the absolute atrocities committed against the twins, Shou might be a bag stealing shithead but I have respect for the man who stood up to the scum. It annoys me to so much as see other characters refer to Haruka as Saigusa, that tainted fucking name that links Haruka to the scum. The scene early in common where Haruka insists Riki call her by her first name was the first thing to emotionally sting me in this reread. The fact that Kanata will dismantle the scums despicable traditions is both wonderful but also infuriating as it’s the only comeuppance they’ll ever get.
Again something to praise the writing for, even if it is a negative emotion like SEETHING RAGE, it make me feel something so strongly is an accomplishment worthy of praise.

So I’ve alluded too it but I think this route is pretty well written, the depths of Haruka’s despair are fully depicted, it doesn’t pull any punches, this route is moody and brooding, nitty and gritty a strong contrast to her bubbly common personality. It dives head on into a nasty ass subject, depects a person in shambles as a result and while I’ve heard it be called ‘overly dramatic’, I think it’s worth respected. And I don’t even want to think about that bad end.

I L O V E the contrast of Citrus(specifically Orange) and Mint, most obviously represented in their taste in scented shampoo as Riki, ever the deviant, sniffs the shit out of their hair. But it’s also present in their food tastes. Oranges are sweet, orange is a warm colour, minty tastes are bitter and is associated with pale colours. I looooove that alongside the usage of their dominant hand, these smells are the biggest clues when Kanata is impersonating Haruka. The hint for this is dropped super early on too, Haruka remarks that she got a whole bunch of flavoured sweets from Komari, except for Mint, she rejected the Mint ones, Kanata returns the favour later, saying it’s not eggs she’s allergic too, it’s Citrus.

You know what other smell is present in this route? FUCKING CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE. Riki says some fucking DORKY ASS SHIT in the more romantic scenes, Haruka even calls him out on this dorky ass shit, but frankly, one of my absolute favourite scenes, ever, not just Little Busters, or Key, ever, comes from one of those dorky ass lines in one of those cheesy ass scenes:

“What can I do that she can’t”
“Make me fall in love with you”

I melt. Every time, almost every line in that scene is good, but Riki’s lame ass deceleration is something I find profoundly enjoyable to read.

Not to say I don’t have some grievances with Riki in this route, once again I vividly recall back the first time, screaming at him to “EMBRACE HER, PROTECT HER, HELP HER RIKI”, as he hesitated early on, he gets better, but I do think he should have jumped in quicker.

So how about we talk about Kazamatsuri’s favourite karaoke song Melencholy of a Noisy Girl(good lord even her theme hints at the tonal shift her route takes).
So I fucking love this music, the perfectly flawless theme of common route Haruka, noticeably takes a backseat in the route itself, but one of the most memorable tracks in Little Busters, the energy, the strange instruments, the jumpy bounciness of it all, the DO DO DO DO DO and CLAP CLAP. It’s impossible to not sing along to this song, it’s impossible to not clap clap to the clap clap. I have sung along to this silly little melody of beeps and boops both drunk and sober with several Kazamatsuri members before and I will do it again, it’s charm is undeniable.

Right then, lets stop beating around the Elephant in the Bush.

"Nobody was in the wrong, I don’t have to hate anyone. There are no evil people in the world"

I STRONGLY DISAGREE

No I get it completely Haruka, you’ve lived your life having a ‘bad guy’, now that you know she wasn’t the villain you wanted, needed her, to be you want to let bygones be bygones, let go of your hatred and stress that you don’t think that way anymore, you don’t need to justify yourself as ‘the good one’.
But there is somebody at fault, there is evil people in this world, and while I really really really agree that you should just let your hatred leave and forget about it, I can’t stop hating the scum.
I don’t think the message the route was trying to stress is that ‘always forgive everyone no matter how horrible they are’, but some poor wording makes it seem that way so while I don’t dislike how the route ended, I think some better care should have been taken with it’s ending.

OVERALL, this route is good, not perfect, but consistently high quality and meaningful, in the end I will only be able to remember it well because, well, I’m actually in love with Haruka.

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It killed me a bit on the inside after Riki mentions he smells mint on Haruka. Oh god no, let it not be so. *chooses “Give up”
At that moment, Riki knew he screwed up. :nonono:

I liked haruka route, but since I saw the anime first, I guess I remembered slowly what happened. It was still enjoyable.

I felt a bit annoyed at how Haruka was taking the situation, but then again Futaki was egging her on.
(Insert pun here :egg: )

Nothing was really spectacular until the last 30 min when they meet Shou Saigusa. Questions were finally going to get answered. All but the most Important of all, just who is Shou Saigusa’s Daughter?

Well I guess it wasn’t that important. (The driving force making you read and wait for that anticipation to go WOOAAHH when you learn the truth. Then start rambling trash talk and say I knew all along. :upside_down_face:

I was reading the Give up bad end and was wondering when Haruka’s text box appears - (the purple one) She talks about how theres no reason to be around and a car horn is heard and Asphalt is seen. She was thinking of just disapearing and shoes striking a puddle reverberated in her ears. Is this telling us she killed herself? I’m not sure so I need clarification and later when talking to Kanata an Ambulance siren is heard

You mean least important of all. Who cares!

Absofuckinglutely.

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That whole scenario was pushing the story for like the last portion of the route. When things were finally getting interesting. Then she changes her mind.

Sure, finding out probably wouldn’t have made much of a difference. Because Haruka didn’t want to switch places with Futaki (if they would even do that) but having the notion of looking into it, she learns that Futaki isn’t as bad of a person like she thought. Plus they start trying to repair their relationship.

So, I guess what I’m trying to say is Haruka is a likeable character, but her route frankly, is boring and a bit predictable. Most certainly, there’s room for improvement. They could have expanded a bit more on whose daughter is whose. And how they work together to fix this family issue.

This might be because of the twins in Clannad. Like when Kyou cut her hair and impersonated Ryou.

I figured after learning that Futaki was indeed her sister that it would happen. (I mean, just by looking you can tell)

I might look weird saying this, but @Kanon is right. The whole point of the route is to give Haruka her sense of self-worth back, which has been utterly destroyed by her family. Her family had hammered into her head that she is trash because she’s the daughter of a murderer. That’s bullshit. Haruka is Haruka. She is her own person. It does not matter whose daughter Haruka is. She wanted to know who her father is in hope of finding out that it’s not Saigusa, the murderer, because, according to her family, that would mean she’s not trash.

When Haruka had finally regained her confidence, she realized that the father issue was of no consequences to her. Not caring about it anymore was the proof of her recovery, just like her ability to reconcile with Kanata. She didn’t need to be a Futaki to feel good about herself. She didn’t need to believe in the same ignorant superstitions as her outdated failure of a family.

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Yes, you are correct, but self-worth isn’t the only message this route is trying to get across.

All I was saying was how I felt a bit robbed, like searching for the holy grail as an example. All this work to learn something and not getting the info, a change of heart. This was what the story was going off of. So, a bit of a let down.

I have no complaints other than they had numerous opportunity to make this route even better than it was. And that was one thing that could have been brought up sooner and gave it more time to explore.

There should have been more to her route to make it more interesting. Not to say that it isn’t interesting, its just kinda plain at spots, her situation also is something hard to relate to.
Its just too bizarre of a situation that anyone can relate to under normal circumstances.

Each (in-game) day is repetitive. Pretty much the same conversations but masked so that they are seemingly different. Sort of like how Haruka’s parents always asked her the same questions at the dinner table.

I know, having each day being the same kinda gives us a taste of what Haruka felt growing up with constant trash talk and beatings every day of her life. But after an hour or 2, it got sick real quick.
It almost made it a chore to read.

And yes, I have sympathy for Haruka’s situation, but having her keep asking Riki and Futaki “Why” all the time got on my nerves.

I felt relieved when Futaki made the comment to have Haruka think for herself and stop questioning everyone/everything. By that point Haruka had a noticeable change in character development. So she was more tolerable.

It just got to be annoying trying to save this girl when You are sitting at the computer and not physically there to tell her this is what you should do.:push:

Also, reading the rest of the posts on this thread, practicality everyone has a positive view of Haruka’s route. Not judging, but we also need to see this routes flaws as well. But this is just my opinion.

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It’s popular because it’s one of the routes most grounded in reality. It does have its flaws, yes, but Haruka’s entire situation as a whole is something that many can extensively relate to (which I’d recommend really not making any assumptions on that part because that could be taken as insulting towards people who, too, had “abnormal” lives) and it’s part of why you seem to be the only one of the only ones who was bothered by her repetitive questioning attitude (which is a trademark of abuse leading to doubt about whether people actually care about you, are lying about it, or feel obliged and don’t actually care).

I’ll also have to agree with Kanon here, since the point wasn’t to satisfy the reader’s curiosity but to make the reader understand the importance of self-worth in a situation of abuse (in which you shouldn’t want to tell them what to do but teach them how to reach answers by themselves in a healthy manner).

Would I have liked to know who was Shou’s daughter for the sake of my curiosity? Sure.

Does it matter to the message the route was trying to convey? No.

This relates to something @technololigy had tweeted a while back IIRC, but the gist of it basically went that if you want to save someone, you need to teach them how to save themselves. Otherwise you’d only be shifting the problem to another source. It teaches that you won’t always have the answers to everything in life and don’t need to either, while we’re at it.

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Not telling us matters to the message. Acknowledging it matters at all is only supporting the idiotic family’s thought process.

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Poorly expressed that. I meant rather in the way of whether it impacted the route and its enjoyment as Zeldamaster seems to think (which it doesn’t, since it’s an integral part of the experience) moreso than its relevance to the plot itself.

I really liked this route. As someone mentioned above, it was something I can personally relate to. It hit me especially hard since I have been going through one of my depressive episodes and have been feeling pretty worthless. So it was definitely something that resonated with me in places. I also liked how they didn’t reveal who was whose daughter. I was expecting the stereotypical “she’s not the lesser daughter all along!” but I felt it had more impact this way and fit the story better. I would have been a bit disappointed if they had revealed it either way, so this felt most appropriate.

There were a few confusing bits and poorly written bits. At times I was cringing a lot because of my therapy training and just how much Haruka needs to develop a personal sense of self-worth rather than relying on MC-kun to give her that worth. I think overall they handled that pretty well and she became more self-dependent, but there were some red flags here and there that made me worried he was going to swoop in and save her. It did turn out better than expected. I am going to be interested in seeing her sister’s route because she came off as pretty unsympathetic during a lot of this and, while somewhat redeemed, I would like to get a better look at her perspective.

Also are there any normal fraternal twins in media? They’re always identical, which is a small percentage of twins, and now we finally get fraternal twins and its another extremely rare occurance. Not a genuine complaint, more just amusing x3

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