CLANNAD - Tomoya Okazaki Character Discussion

So here’s a topic that spurred off of a discussion with @daysofsummer and @kyuketsukimiyu on Twitter…

Excluding Nagisa, which girl do you think suits Tomoya the best?

It’s as good a point as ever to discuss, since the bookclub is now past the point where we’ve covered all the female routes except for Nagisa’s. Why exclude Nagisa? Because she is objectively best girl for Tomoya (fite me)

As for my analysis… I might have to do a process of elimination on this one. First let’s take out the obvious: Fuko shouldn’t be in a relationship with Tomoya and the romantic ending is a joke. She’s fun to bully, but her personality clashes too much with Tomoya to even make that something worth considering.

Ryou doesn’t have much of a chemistry with Tomoya either. Sure, she does get her ending with him, but it feels like Tomoya was just going with the flow and that sort of relationship would have fallen apart in the long run, I wager.

It’s a bit hard to push him with Mei at this point because of the age gap, and while it isn’t that much of a gap to matter in the long run, Mei still has a lot of growing up to do in the meantime.

Kotomi seems like a good choice at first: she genuinely causes Tomoya to grow as a person. However, that attitude also has one flaw: Tomoya himself is flawed, and has his own set of problems, none of which are worth scoffing at. I just feel that Kotomi lacks the social awareness to be able to help support Tomoya in handling his problems, once he needs to confront them. While that may not negatively affect Tomoya’s relationship with Kotomi, it would definitely keep him at a standstill, and that wouldn’t be good for Tomoya either.

Then we go over to Tomoyo, who may seem the exact opposite of Kotomi in that regard. However, she is pretty pushy, especially with things that she thinks is right. Tomoya, on the other hand, is very very stubborn about his problems. Once Tomoyo decides that Tomoya needs to face his problems head-on, she will push him to do it. That can only end up with Tomoya’s stubbornness causing him to walk out, both from his problems and from Tomoyo.

Misae feels a lot like an older sister to Tomoya, frankly. However, it would end up a bit too much, as it would cause Tomoya to be reliant on her in many situations, much like the majority of the dorm boys are reliant on her. Misae also has leftover emotional baggage that seems as if it would be impossible to heal, should Tomoya had pursued a relationship with her.

Which leaves us with… Yukine and Kyou. The chemistry between Yukine and Tomoya definitely felt natural, as it did with Kyou. Tomoya definitely has the guts as well to handle Yukine’s posse, so that shouldn’t pose much of a problem either. Kyou might be pushy in the same way Tomoyo is, but she knows when to stop early enough to to prevent Tomoya’s stubbornness to take over. When that happens, I think that she’d actually be more understanding than any of the other girls.

It’s definitely a close call between the two but I’m gonna have to give it to Kyou. She’s known Tomoya for a longer time and can deal with him when he needs to be dealt with. Whereas, while Yukine’s overly-accommodating personality works with Tomoya for the most part, there might be times where he just needs that sort of push to be a better person.

Delving heavily into After Story territory here, but it has always been a headcanon of mine that, in some alternate universe, Ushio doesn’t die and Tomoya learns to get over Nagisa’s death and finds in Kyou a good wife and potentially a good mother for Ushio. Well, at the end of the day, it’s still just a headcanon and shall remain inside my head :yahaha:

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I generally feel that Tomoyo is the second most fitting behind Nagisa, and here’s why:

  1. Tomoyo is the only heroine besides Nagisa who puts any sort of effort into combating some of Tomoya’s own problems - mostly regarding his “delinquency”. While her route does show that this sort of falls apart when he’s not with Tomoyo, she at least puts in some marginal amounts of effort, which is better than every other non-Nagisa heroine, who simply receive Tomoya’s help. Basically, she demonstrates that she actually cares about Tomoya’s problems, and shows that she is willing to help him out with them.

  2. Tomoyo also has a history as a delinquent. This is a natural sort of bond between her and Tomoya, and while I felt it was under utilized in Tomoyo’s route, it would also give Tomoya something to grasp on to as far as improving his own life. As an added bonus, Tomoyo even had a troubled home life, something else she finds common ground on with Tomoya.

  3. Nagisa’s route and After Story pretty much specifically demonstrate that Tomoya wouldn’t just “walk out” on Tomoyo if she tries to push him to face his problems. Nagisa pretty much does exactly that, and while he never truly responds positively to it, he doesn’t push her away and it doesn’t negatively impact his relationship with her. Tomoyo herself has also proven that she can curb his negative school habits without eliciting a negative response from him, so it’s likely that he would just respond similarly to her as he does to Nagisa.

  4. Tomoyo isn’t that pushy to begin with. I don’t think there’s really much to say here, but Nagisa is actually a lot more pushy than Tomoyo is, and Tomoyo is generally less abrasive than Kyou.

I think I could say more, but those are my general thoughts on the matter.

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Tomoyo and it’s not even close. ReadTheVN.org

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I haven’t finished After Story, or read Tomoyo After - both of which could change my perspective on this.

I did not really like Tomoya and Tomoyo together. I love Tomoyo, and you can really tell that she does love Tomoya, but I just didn’t like the dynamic between them. Tomoya didn’t feel like he ever had to do any of the heavy lifting in the relationship himself.

I think Kotomi is the best fit for Tomoya outside of Nagisa. Kotomi is needy enough to let Tomoya be dependable, I agree that Kotomi is not going to push Tomoya to confront his problems with his father, but I think as the relationship strengthened Tomoya would be able to confront the new problems that would flow into his life, especially because Kotomi lacks the awareness to care about what other people think in face of what she wants.

Yukine is an interesting choice - I can see her be a good fit. She is, from what I have seen, a very good balance of needy and giving that she would be able to slowly nurture Tomoya’s growth.

Ryou/Fuko are both out for me too, Ryou and Tomoya lack chemistry, and while I think there may be a world where Tomoya and Fuko could end up together, I do not thing any of the routes in CLANNAD show this in an appealing manner.

Again, I haven’t finished After Story, but Kyou is not really on my radar. To a degree I kind of forget about her outside of her construct as Old Friend With Crush. I enjoyed her route, but really, I didn’t get much of a feel for what she would be like in a relationship with Tomoya since it kind of finished with the start of that. I do think she is bossy and expectant enough while being loving and perceptive where the dynamic could be really good.

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Just reading through some old posts and after all these years, I think I actually agree with you, haha.

Both of them learn and grow a lot, but in the end Tomoya doesn’t really have to prove himself like Riki does. I guess that kinda goes back to my comment about how relatable Tomoya feels? Ive said it before and I’ll say it again: theres no way I could ever take on Riki’s role; I would definitely act more like Tomoya, and I guess that makes me weaker than Riki too.

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