AIR - General Discussion

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#13

Describing how much a story like AIR’s means to me is no small task, and I have taken the entirety of the bookclub to elaborate on it. To even begin, I have to speak about the responsibility that rests on both my mother’s shoulders and my own. I love my mother very, very much. She is the only person on this Earth that I feel truly understands me. She has felt my hardship and more through her own childhood experiences, which I will not go into detail here. But thanks to her experience, her faith, and her strength, she has helped shape me into the young man I am today. Most people, including myself, have taken mothers for granted at least once in their lifetimes. They’re not perfect individuals, and neither are we. AIR is only one of the many reminders I have had throughout my life that my mother is one of the most important individuals I know and will ever know. I’m sure I will receive many more as the years pass.

As for myself, AIR has also told me that the responsibility of caring for others is vital to the development of our fellowmen. As the eldest of four children, I acknowledge that my role as an example and guardian of my younger siblings is both something I have neglected and something I deeply cherish now. Every day, I think of my siblings, especially my younger brother, who’s going through very tough trials himself. It is my hope that I will make enough of an impact on him and my two sisters so that they will remember me for the happy memories and not for the sad ones.

Finally, AIR has helped me realize one last thing: the decision to change and do the right thing lies with me, and no one else. Minagi realized that if she wanted her life to be better, she needed to loose her chains and break free from past regrets. Yukito realized that if he wanted to help Misuzu, he needed to face the problem head on rather than flee from it. Uraha realized that if she and Ryuuya wanted to save Kanna, they had to take the first step and start the cycle that would eventually lead to a future generation solving the problem. And Haruko realized that her conflicting feelings about Misuzu, and Misuzu’s conflicted opinion of her, would not resolve themselves unless she took on the responsibility of caring for her during her final days. Through all that, they gained the strength and the reasoning to continue on with life, despite the trials ahead, because they had something they needed to protect, something they needed to learn.

My final opinion on AIR is this: It is a literary masterpiece, not for being the most logically sound, or the most ambitious, but for being one of the most meaningful, heartfelt stories I have experienced. The amount of heart put into this story by the writers, especially Maeda, whom I am certain really loves his mother, moves us to recognize that we should not forget those who are influential to us, and remember that there is always a chance to acknowledge our faults, take up our neglected responsibilities, and take the first step to changing ourselves for the better. Thank you for hearing me out, and I hope you enjoyed AIR as much as I did.

Since I hate to waste perfectly good recordings, here is my reading of the above words: https://www.dropbox.com/s/30ovaqa48apanwd/AIR%20-%20Final%20Thoughts.mp3?dl=0

Enjoy~ :slight_smile:

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#14

I’ve thought for a while about “What does AIR mean to me” and I guess, more than anything, it means chasing your own happiness.

Many people think that the theme of AIR is all about mothers and our relationship with them. On the outset, yes, that is the case, but I feel the more concrete theme of AIR is happiness, and how we should find our own happiness, and not let our own insecurities or fears hamper our own goal of happiness. It was made pretty glaringly obvious in the last few words of the VN, but I tried thinking about how it applies to every route.

With Minagi it was how her fear of harming her own mother got in the way of her own happiness to be accepted. With Kano, it was how her former guilt for having Hijiri take care of her prevented her from seeking her own happiness. For Misuzu’s route it was actually Yukito realizing how he has forgot his own goal and what truly made him happy, and how he was too afraid of the curse to push through with it. For Summer route, we were shown how Kanna was prevented from obtaining her own happiness due to her being persecuted, which is seen as nothing but ill fate. In AIR, we see Misuzu in the same situation as Kanna, where she could not obtain her own happiness due to the curse, until it was achieved by Haruko, with the help of Sora. And how Haruko had always simply been too afraid to chase her happiness of being with Misuzu in fear of eventually losing her.

To cut it short, what AIR has taught me that I shouldn’t fear the consequences of something that will bring about my own happiness. We worry about too many things in this world, like how things might affect our career, or how our choices may be seen by society, thus preventing us from reaching our own happiness sometimes. We become blinded to what truly makes us happy, and we need to still keep that awareness, no matter the consequences. This being something I learned from AIR, I genuinely hope that I can apply it to my real life.

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#15

This topic is now unpinned. It will no longer appear at the top of its category.

This marks the conclusion of the AIR Commemoration Week. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your awesome discussion throughout the AIR Bookclub. Please look forward to the AIR Bookclub Anthology!

#16

AIR is an impressive Key work and is full of Maedaisms due to how interwoven everything is and how it’s both direct in its themes and broad in its ideas. These two things, alongside well thought out characters for the most part, certainly bring about a work that can be perceived in a multitude of ways and bare many many different messages that can mean different things to us all- So, what does it mean to me at this moment?

At any rate, my readings of AIR have left me with two very different interpretations. One was about forward thinking and fearlessness, and the other was something a bit different, whether it be how I feel lately or not, I’m not sure, but it’s what I’ll touch on here. I personally think it’s a more refined view than my previous one because they go hand in hand.

Love.

I’ve said the Romeo and Juliet thing many times, but I’m going to mention this again. Love. No, not just two people in love, but love in its awesome power- A more broad look at ‘Love’.

A parent loves a child, a person loves nature- The world they live in, a person loves another person romantically- The story of AIR brings in so many passionate bonds of people with… Anything, really, and it really puts its foot down with this love being the real deal. Love overcomes time and death. It overcomes adversity and a world that breeds so much destruction and hatred. Perhaps the romanticism in Minagi really got to me this time around or something but the continuous search for the beauty in all things really struck me this go around.

You shouldn’t fear adversity, inevitability, anxiousness- You should acknowledge it and aim to fight it to the possibly bittersweet end just for that sweetness alone because that’s life. We live for the precious moments we’re blessed enough to have available to us where some are less fortunate. Find your passion and expect and appreciate the passage of time, goodbyes and new and alien beginnings in pursuit of what you love- Even if it takes you your whole life up until the very end, riddled with bitterness- just to taste that sweetness.

Seek to be with those you love, do what you love, share what you love with others. It wouldn’t be real if you didn’t feel the pain when it goes away- It’s just another part of the greatness of it.

Expect a hopefully better rendition of this post in my recording that I should hopefully get done, with more examples ans things.

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#17

Yes, I know I’m late. But if I learned one thing from this novel, late is most certainly better than never.

I remember the first thing someone ever told me about AIR.

Bizkitdoh: “AIR’s a weird one…”

I now completely understand where he was coming from, and completely agree.

I’ll give AIR one thing: it completely defied my expectations. And in the end that made me very angry, though I guess I could say that makes it good writing in a way.

Let me say this: I thoroughly enjoyed most of this story.

  • The common route was hilarious, entertaining, got me engaged, and made me love the characters.
  • Minagi’s route dragged on way too long, but when it was good, it was very good; I was disappointed/frustrated with the ending, but I overall think fondly of the route.
  • Kano’s route felt out of place and I honestly liked Hijiri better than Kano herself, but it was fun, and told a neat story.
  • Misuzu’s route was brilliant, and gave me exactly what I wanted from the story and more importantly from the characters.
  • Summer, while I knew it was coming, was still a surprising change of pace and scenery. Excluding Yukito, I probably liked all of Summer’s character’s better than the rest of the story, and it kept me on the edge of my seat, wanting to know what would happen to them and how it was relevant to AIR.
  • Most of AIR was enjoyable. I liked seeing things from Sora’s perspective, but I increasingly missed Yukito as the story continued. It was nice to finally see what Haruko and Misuzu were thinking, but I felt disconnected from the story.

And then this is where AIR shattered my expectations. So many things I was begging to happen never did. Instead, something terrifying happened, and then it was all over, ending with some vague symbolism about the sky and infinity, carrying some message which it was first foreshadowed that I might never come to understand when I finished Minagi.

And so the immediate effect was that it left me angry and disturbed. But after several days of contemplating, reading, and writing, I am left confused. Did I enjoy AIR, or not? Am I happy I read this, or do I kinda wish I had never started it in the first place…?

AIR did make me tear up. It’s a Key VN after all. But it was a different kind of ‘feels.’ When I first finished, I felt angry, and unsatisfied. Now I am sure that AIR ended, that there was no more for me to have possibly had, and it almost terrifies me.

I am not depressed. I am no longer angry. I may never know if I truly love AIR like I do with the rest of Key, but I believe that I now appreciate it.

All I can say is: “AIR’s a werid one…”

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#18

I believe it was @raiyan who said that something is good exactly because it can induce a reaction in you. If it were bad, it would leave you with nothing but indifference.

But I guess the key thing (heh) is that one shouldn’t go into a Key work with expectations in mind. I had that mindset while reading Rewrite and that made me pretty angry after I finished it. And that, I think, is something else to take away from this story, at the least.

Key doesn’t have a “magic formula”. It does what it does, and they can’t be expected to do the same thing all the time. I guess it just has that notion because its more popular works (Clannad, LB, AB!) have the same formula, whereas the more unique works don’t turn up so popular.

I guess this is why I like Key now, because I get a certain type of variety when reading their works. They still haven’t gotten to the variety I am looking for that will make me consider one of their works above the rest, but I enjoyed every single one of the works that they have released.

#19

Well that’s nonsense. You invest hours into AIR only to realize that it was garbage and that there was never really a moment that made time investment worthwhile.

I’d say Kanon-Litbus all use the same formula. There’s little that made AIR different from CLANNAD or LB.

#20

Isn’t that how pretty much any literary work goes? You can’t really be sure if it would be good until you experience it for yourself

What, pray tell, is that formula you see? The similar formula I saw between, for instance, CLANNAD and LB was Both works involved having the main character working with other people (or other routes, in this case) in order to gain something that will help them resolve the final problem. AIR felt like it had a more introspective vibe to it, and it felt like there wasn’t really a problem they solved, rather, how they dealt with that problem, as human beings, and to make it all the better for the future.

#21

Of course. That doesn’t stop things from being bad though.

The Key formula. You know, the one that everyone knows. The route progression of everything Key writes.
Some VNs add new mechanics to the VN as a whole, but every route follows the same pattern.

#22

Uhhhh is that what is also known as the “nakige formula”? Because I feel that’s something that has transcended just Key and now applies to many other VNs (and stories) as well

#23

Well sure, but it applying to other VNs doesn’t stop it from applying to Key VNs…

#24

Please stay on topic guys. Thoughts on AIR as a whole.

#25

My first exposure to AIR was in the 2005 Anime series by Kyoto Animation. I don’t know why, but my memory of watching it was very foggy. Perhaps I wasn’t in the right mindset to watch it and fully absorb it after marathoning a bunch of other Key Anime. Maybe the step back in quality compared to Key’s other Anime hindered my enjoyment, or maybe it had something to do with the limited episode count. At any rate, AIR didn’t leave much of an impact on me after my first viewing.

That’s why with the AIR Bookclub, I was very eager to step back and take the time to fully appreciate what the story had to offer, and I wasn’t disappointed. AIR might not be perfect, what with its unusual route structure and disappointing Kano route, but overall I found it to be an amazing experience. Misuzu’s story is one the most well-crafted stories of any Key work, and I can now fully understand why it’s help in such high regard by the Japanese fans. It’s a story about weighing up the pursuit of one’s own happiness against making others happy. It’s a question Yukito is faced with throughout the entire Visual Novel, first presented to him by his mother and later confronted with as he decides what to do with his life in the Dream arc. And it’s a question every rebirth of Kanna is faced with as they decide on whether they should endure isolation in order to keep everyone else safe, or pursue relationships with others despite the pain it will cause. In the true ending, Yukito ultimately dedicates his life to making Misuzu smile, culminating in his final sacrifice at the end of Misuzu’s route. And Misuzu ultimately decides to pursue her own happiness in the time she has left, in order to make the sacrifices everyone has made for her mean something.

Ultimately, I think that’s the biggest message I received from AIR. Throughout all the routes, there are those dedicated to helping others find happiness, and those seeking their own happiness with the help of others. I feel that it’s very important that those who are choosing whether or not to pursue their own happiness carefully consider the sacrifices others have made in order for them to achieve their own happiness. Whether it be thanking your mother for giving birth to you despite dying shortly after as was the case with Kano, or Minagi choosing to awaken from her dream thanks to Michiru’s wishes, or fighting for your own happiness for the sake of everyone who fought to see your smile in the end, as was the case with Misuzu. AIR teaches us the importance of pursuing one’s own happiness, not only for oneself but for the sake of everyone who’s sacrificed something in order for that happiness to be realised. While sacrificing one’s own needs for the sake of others is important at times, it’s just as important to know when to be selfish and accept the kindness of others, so that their sacrifices won’t be in vain.

But that’s just one of the many messages I received from AIR. There aren’t many absolutes with AIR, which may be frustrating to some readers, but it’s also liberating in a way, as it allows readers to form their own unique interpretations of the story. I can certainly respect that openness of the narrative, and I’m sure there are as many messages to receive from AIR as there are people to read it.

At the very least, it’s my hope that the AIR Bookclub has helped people consider AIR in a new light than they otherwise would have had they read the visual novel alone. To all who have contributed to the AIR Bookclub in some way, thank you from the bottom of my heart. The Bookclub is the culmination of the efforts of all of the Kazamatsuri.org community, and it wouldn’t have been the amazing experience it was without each of your own unique contributions, so thank you! I look forward to working together with you all once again for the CLANNAD Bookclub in a few months’ time. To the end of infinity!

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#26

It’s been years since I watched the show, but the world mechanics of Air are pretty focused around love. Dunno how Misuzu’s story would work without it.

#27

I’m curious about the Air TV ENDING, since I didn’t read the VN.

In the movie during the last part, it’s shown that Yukito and Haruko were waiting, standing, and Misuzu is walking towards her goal. Then she dies in Haruko’s arms

And in the 13 Episode TV series, it’s shown that Misuzu is walking towards Sora and Haruko and dies in Haruko’s arms

Does this mean that the ending is the same whether Yukito Turns into Sora or not ?

#28

It’s interesting that you bring this up, because the anime ending is largely the same as the VN ending. The movie, being completely different from the source material, has an almost completely different ending sequence. Sure, Misuzu’s death is pretty much the same in both, but what happens after is completely different and carries very different meanings.

We discuss the VN/anime ending quite a bit in the AIR route podcast, so it might be good to check that out for reference. I hope that answers your question in some way.

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#29

Okay, thanks ! I’ll make sure to check it out !
Air had a lot of symbolism that I didn’t quite understand, even with the threads I was reading when watching the anime.

EDIT

I don’t care what people say about the animation for the anime. I found it gorgeous. I prefer 2005 AIR animation over Animation from 2016 Anime’s

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#30

Was thinking of comparing ratings for the AIR routes, but we don’t have enough data! Everyone who’s read the VN, please go and rate each of the routes so we can build GRAPHS!

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#31

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#32

As I’ve discussed on Discord, I’ve now seen the AIR anime ( Funimation 12 eps + 2 OVA edition). I really liked it although it is sad and very rushed to fit such a short run. TBH the two mini stories - one good, one so-so - just felt like slightly meaningless asides although I’m sure they are important in the VN to prepare you for the ending. At first I wasn’t sure about the Summer story, with the jump back and new characters but quickly grew to like it a good deal. I’ve seen comments elsewhere about AIR anime being depressing but I didn’t find it so. Best thing for me from this box set is the 2 OVAs which are just wonderful, the character interactions are right up with the best I have seen in a Key work.

Enthused by this I’ve managed to get the VN working ( hopefully! ) with the English patch (Gao Gao as couldn’t get Winter Confetti to work ) so it’ll be interesting to see how the two versions compare. May take me a while to complete it though.